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3 weeks ago I thought we were decent. I saw some bright spots in a .500 team. But now I don’t see much at all.
How much worse can it get?
Swept by the mariners at home, losing 4 straight being 10 games under .500 nothing to show us fans any hope of recovery, helton looking finished, tulo struggling, starting rotation is terrible, bullpen overworked, terrible defence bonehead plays, tracy not admitting to his mistakes , terrible offseason planning by O’Dowd put all this together, and you realise how bad our rockies are from the bottom to the top, CLEANHOUSEE!!!
Luckily I only watched a few innings. I saw the double bonehead play with both Rosario and Scuturo making bad throws. And both made bad decisions by throwing the ball in the first place. Of course that didn’t matter because “Big Game” Guthrie came through again. And by the way I believe Jason Hammel is 5-1. I didn’t like Hammel when he was here but maybe it wasn’t him as much as our beloved pitching coach.
We’ve spent quite a bit of time bad mouthing Tulo on this site and some of that is deserved but Helton, except for a couple of late game hits, has hit rock-bottom. I always thought that signing him to his first long term deal was a bad move, and then signing him again looks even worse. I know some people think we shouldn’t criticize him but the Rockies are paying him alot of money to bat around .225 (or lower?).
At least it looks like I will get alot done around the house this summer plus catch up on some reading I’ve wanted to do. And with another good crowd at the ballpark today, there is no pressure on ownership or management to make changes.
STOP GOING TO THE GAMES.
LET ME JUST REPEAT SOMETHING HERE IT WAS THE MARINERSS!!! ARE U KIDDING ME!!
Lets look at the straight trades the Rockies made this past offseason, rather than the swap in positions as with the post earlier this weekend.
Colvin for Stewart. +1 in favor of Rockies. Only positive in the offseason, and not a big plus.
Ianetta for Chatwood. -1 so far. Yes I know Chris has been injured, but doesn’t mean he would have been here. So far, Hernandez is not an improvement over Chris. Chatwood has ‘potential’, meaning he hasn’t helped the club yet.
Smith for Moscoso. -2. Lost a good major league outfielder and hitter. Got a AAA pitcher.
Guthrie for Hammel, Lindstrom terrible. -4. At least. Really helped the Orioles. We’re a generous team.
DOD’s offseason looks terrible so far. We have 3/4 of a season to go. But I’d say O’Dowd has performed as badly as the on the field guys, booting some pretty important decisions.
And last years off season just as bad if not worse.Few GM’s last as long as DOD has while producing such limited results.I don’t mind waiting till next year but I expected .500 this year.At times we resemble the ’62 Mets![and yes I'm that old,and a former N.Y Stater].
The Rox can go no lower…this is the absolute bottom. That is, until they prove me wrong and get even worse. Not sure that is possible.
Could get swept my a preety good Marlins team.Would that qualify or do we have to wait for a sweep by the Royals?
DRH, I agree that DOD gets a failing grade for the offseason, although I might describe it a little differently.
It was actually Stewart and Weathers for Colvin and LeMahieu. So, maybe we’ll get a little more out of the deal if LeMahieu develops into a major leaguer.
I think that it’s too soon to judge Ianetta for Chatwood. That will depend on whether Chatwood develops into a major league starting pitcher. We should be able to judge this trade by the end of 2013. Trading Ianetta made sense because the job needs to be Rosario’s before too long. I could see the team trading Hernandez at the trade deadline or in the offseason.
We also got Outman as part of the Smith deal, so we need to see if Outman turns into an asset before grading the deal. Having said that, I would have thought that we could have gotten more for Smith, or kept him and platooned him with a right handed hitter.
Signing Casey Blake as the interim third baseman? That didn’t work out.
Getting Scutaro for about six million dollars to play 2B? The jury’s still out as to whether that was money well spent.
Signing Cuddyer for 31.5 million dollars? The jury’s really still out on that one.
So, not a great offseason for DOD. But DOD can redeem himself a little bit if he fires Tracey. As bad as the team is playing, Tracey has to go.
Like I said about a million times before the trade, with Todd aging play Cuddy at 1B against righties and Smith in LF. Or you could play Smith, CarGo, and Cuddyer in the OF and Colvin at 1B.
I can’t believe how eager DOD was to dump Seth. Maybe he saw Smith as the source of the losing attitude – yeah how did that turn out?
Had great seats by third base today. We had a guy there once. Best part of today was that I made a movie of the signing beer guy.
that, of course, would be the singing beer guy.
Too many singing beers maybe?
I think we are officailly the worst team in baseball. We just got swept by the F*****G Mariners at Coors F*****G Field!!!!!!!! This team sucks ass! FIRE TRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok rant is over
Does anyone really think that the problem with this team is related to a lack of talent? I don’t think so. This team has already quit on Tracy and it isn’t the end of May yet. They have quit just like they quit in Sept of 2010 and 2011. At this point the best that can happen is for them to go to Miami and Cinci and get swept in both cities and come home on a 10 game losing streak. If that isn’t enough to get Tracy fired, than indeed this guy does have a lifetime contract.
“We also got Outman as part of the Smith deal, so we need to see if Outman turns into an asset before grading the deal. Having said that, I would have thought that we could have gotten more for Smith, or kept him and platooned him with a right handed hitter.’
Julian, that’s the weird thing about trading Smith and signing Cuddyer. It would have been far, far cheaper to find Smith a platoon partner to play RF. Then they could’ve taken the 7 million bucks or so left over to address a real problem. But Smith was viewed as one of those problem “clubhouse culture” guys, and Cuddyer was viewed as a solution to that cultural problem. Safe to say that the “clubhouse culture” theory has been shot to sh!t.
Cisco, I agree: lack of talent isn’t the largest problem. It’s a big problem with the starting pitching, since we’ve gotten nothing from Chacin and very little from Pomeranz, two guys who were counted on to make important contributions. But the starting position players have been basically healthy all year and, with the exception of CarGo, have all underperformed. I still think they’ll move toward their expected averages, but I’m concerned about Helton. He started well but had some bad luck on balls in play. Lately it seems as if he’s not making much good contact. In the past several years, extended bad spells from Helton have meant one thing: back trouble.
But I agree with your bottom line. This club continues to perform much worse than the talent level would predict. I mentioned how Scutaro has underperformed (and should have trade value) — just look at the other NL West starting shortstops and you’ll see that he’d be the best shortstop in the division outside of Tulo. That’s the kind of talent we have on paper. When everyone isn’t playing up to expectations, usually that means it’s fire the manager time … unless, of course, your manager has just been dubbed “manager for life” based on one nice run 3 years ago.
They are words said all the time when a manager or head coach is fired…”we wanted to go in a different direction.” I always thought that’s what every teams says, can’t they come up with something more original?
Well, what I wouldn’t give for the Monforts to finally utter those words. The Rockies do indeed need to go in a different direction. I don’t know precisely what that new direction should encompass, but it’s pretty damn obvious the current one isn’t working and the architect has been here since the fall of 1999.
Fire the manager? Fire a coach or two? Fire the GM, who, after all is responsible for all baseball decisions? Any or all of these would suit me. We need a new voice and a new direction. Isn’t it about time to see what someone new could offer in the way of ideas?
I guess we”ll find out if anyone is ultimately accountable in the new team culture of accountability. Otherwise it’s just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
GIAMBI NEEDS TO START AT 1st BASE!!!!
I know this will never happen but it should!! Giambi needs to start at 1st base!! HIs at bats have been VERY productive this year and Todd looks like he needs a break. Then this team would have a true cleanup hitter. I think Todd needs a 15 day disabled list break.
“Then this team would have a true cleanup hitter.”
Great idea. But even if Giambi plays, stubborn MMJT will still bat FOPO Tulo 4th.
The only time this team responded to Tracy was when he first took over. And what did he do? He let the boys play. Since then? Tinker, tinker, over-think, and tinker some more. Bless his heart, but Jim Tracy can’t get out of his own way. I mean, how can a manager show off his masterful strokes of genius if he’s got a solid team in place? Whenever someone does well, “Take a seat meat before you get comfortable.” The only constant in this “lousy clubhouse culture” is a skipper who’s always screwing with the player’s minds.
I say congratulations to all those “misfits” who escaped the asylum this past winter.
Firing JT is NOT going to fix squat. Just my opinion.
For all those that live and die by stats then hopefully you got to see the national talking head show that clearly demonstrated where the Rockies problem lies. STARTING ROTATION … at least according to them.
Do you think that firing Hurdle back in ’09 didn’t make a difference?
Sure it made a difference. Short term. Now you want him fired? If that is what you want, an immediate short term fix, then I guess firing JT *might* be your answer. Just keep firing managers every couple of seasons?
Firing the manager is NOT going to right the ship and I truely believe this.
I go back to ITR and the names I listed way back then as root cause.
I see the offense as a major problem. If you normalize out the 2 ridiculuous 17/18 run games out of the equation it drops the Runs per game from 6.4 down to around 4.1.
4 runs a game when you play half your games at Coors wouldn’t be enough if you had the Tigers or Rangers rotation.
13 ouf of 40 games the offense has scored 2 runs or less. Hey, but they will hit, right?
They will hit when the weather warms up, unless it’s too humid that is, and Tulo never hits before June or July, and it has to be a day game, and Jupiter and Saturn have to be in conjunction.
prog, I went to 3 games in which the Rockies scored 19 runs and lost all 3.
I recall reading somewhere about the time of the Hurdle firing that switching managers for the most part do not improve or worsen the team over long term. But sometimes a change is needed to execute a U-turn on the season.
Give Terry Francona or Joe Torre a call.
It’s so painful to watch these ’62 Mets…er ’12 Rox. Saturday was the first time I’ve left a Rox game early in the 20 years I’ve been going to see them.
Turned the TV on Sunday just in time to see Guthrie become a losing pitcher w/o getting out of the first inning…click.
The players need a wakeup call. How many pitchers has Bob Apodaca helped? Same with Carney Lansford. Who’s improved under his tutelage? And howz that resting Todd helping him out? I’d rather play him into the ground if he’s got a hot hand. Too much coddling of stars goin’ on. Clean out the whole coaching staff and GM. Gievett gets the job til the end of the year or until a “true” GM is signed. Of course with the amateur draft around the corner, we probably won’t see any front office change before that’s finished.
Trouble is, name one “qualified” prospect that’d want the job. The Coors Field reputation probably turns off the best candidates.
Trading for pitching and developing pitching is gonna be the only way the Rox are gonna get a staff. What pitcher wants to pitch here unless they get Mike Hampton $$$ waved at them. That worked real well.
Well, there’s the rant. My father passed away yesterday. I rather be putting him to rest than watching the bums here. Really.
See ya next week after the Astros complete their DB header sweep.
Sheesh!!!
Sorry for your loss sabrchip.
My condolences, sabrchip.
Likewise.
Fell asleep watching the real life version of the “Bad News Bears.”
Changes are coming in the lineup today – really?
Cuddy-Tulo-Helton 4-5-6 in the lineup today. That’s not a “change” enough for me.
Please wake me up next spring as I’m hiberating until next spring. Do wake me up earlier if you see heads rolling.
Saberchip sorry for your loss. Know what you are going through. My Dad passed away in December, my Mom is in hospice care (at least it’s in her home). Remember the good times.
Tulo will homer tonight, and cuddyer, but my prediction is rox will still lose
From CBS Sports:
“We are in a helluva rut right now,” manager Jim Tracy said. “We are going to have to dig our ourselves out. Nobody likes it. It’s no fun to go through it. There is no finger pointing going on.”
….. perhaps the clubhouse is starting to crack we will soon see
interesting Tracy saying, “There is no finger pointing going on”…he has thrown a few players under the bus in his comments over the past few weeks…
Which supposedly was his habit in Pittsburgh before he was fired.
This would be my lineup:
EYJ 2B
Fowler CF
Cargo LF
Giambi 1B
Cuddyer RF
Tulo SS
Hernandez C
Pacheco 3B
BUT IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!!! EVER!!!! I am losing interest, or should I say I have lost interest in current lineup. Scutaro is lame!!! Todd looks hurt and old!!! 3rd Base is aweful!!! EYJ/Fowler combo could be fun to watch, Giambi is a cleanup hitter, and Tulo could swing freely and easy from the 6th spot.
Yeah, EYj proved AGAIN yesterday that he is ready to start – he is quite a spark in the lineup and the “hardest man working in the club”…i like the EYj/Fowler back to back…don’t know about Giambi cleanup cause that would mean his glove at 1st and what Todd loses at the plate he more than makes up for on the bag…Giambi isn’t horrible, but nobody has Todd’s skill set…I’d put Cuddy 4th (like tonight) for a few games to see how he does…
And EYjr.even looks a little like the “hardest working man in show business”-James Brown[RIP]!
My lineup for tonight would be
1.EYJ
2.Scutaro
3.Gonzalez
4.Cuddyer
5 Tulo
6.Giambi
7.Pacheco
8.Rosario
9. Moyer