2015/16 Rox Hot Stove Phase 1A – Nov 8th – Winter Meetings (Maybe)

Well, we’re up to 259 posts, and only halfway to the Winter Meetings. So one thread for this Hot Stove time block is getting clumsy. Let’s create thread 1A and post the next wave of comments here. Jaredean – please feel free to add some cool photo like you did in the first thread. That makes me appear smarter and cooler than I really am.

Quick recap of thread 1:

1. Lots of jealousy and awe of the playoff teams and how far away we are from being at that level.
2. Some good discussion about our guys in the AFL.
3. General panic and dismay at the notion of signing Daniel Murphy.
4. Bud Black and Mike Maddux envy.
5. Me attempting to explain that Byung ho Park has some redeeming qualities (at least when compared to FAs with qualifying offers) but he’s nowhere close to Jose Abreu.
6. RMH saying PUT THE BALL IN PLAY.

Alright – carry on!

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sdcarp
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Looks like the Twins “won” the BHP posting sweepstakes. So much for my Joe Mauer eliminating them from consideration logic.

I find this interesting because historically they’re a very shrewd, scouting savvy organization. They obviously see something they like.

Julian
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Julian

AFL new:

Good: Tapia was 2-2 today, and his average is up to .311

Bad: The three Rockies relievers let up 9 earned runs in 1 2/3 innings.

Julian

Bill
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Bill

About to go to bed and was going to comment on two of the items mentioned above. A) It looks like the Korean hitter is going to the Twins. B) Jose Reyes. As SDCarp mentioned above hopefully his wife (soon to be ex wife?) is ok. Will it give the Rockies an out? Perhaps, but just a little. The NFL players union lobbied for and got a reduced sentence for Greg Hardy and the damage he did to his girl… Read more »

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The Rockies…can’t even win during the off season. Awfully stupid and pathetic situation. …what the f is there to get so worked up about that you beat your wife, period……let alone while on vacation in Hawaii? This is similar to the Ubaldo trade where the first chance both Alex White and Drew Pomeranz had to set some good vibes for their new organization didn’t they like get DUI and public intox respectively? Who wants to start a pool for the… Read more »

Gary
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Gary

Nude selfies is the in thing.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Oh you mean sexting??

Gary
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Gary

Correct.Like Carp there are a lot of wide open spaces in the old noggin.

Bill
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Bill

Patrick Saunders had something in the Post this morning that reminded me that MLB now has Domestic Violence policy which has been approved by the players union. MLB has power to discipline players because of this. Joe Torre is MLBs face on this issue and I presume has some or all of the disciplinary power. Numerous public service ads during WS and playoffs in which Torre says he knows it’s a big problem and a serious problem as his father… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Bill – I read the new MLB policy last night. It’s real milquetoast in my opinion. No teeth. I don’t see it helping us in a contractual sense. Unfortunately the MLBPA will probably defend Reyes to the end – and they’re virtually impossible to beat.

sabrchip
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RE: Reyes, This is in the commish’s court. If he decides on time missed (probably not) then the Rox say a tiny bit. The union won’t make any relevant statement until the courts are thru with him if, in fact, he gets to court. With all that cash in his bank, I’m sure he can weasel his way into a reduced charge that won’t cost him any more than a small fine and lawyer fee. Rich boys rule, sigh…. Hey,… Read more »

sabrchip
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Oops “Rox save a tiny bit”

Gary
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Gary

Girls love the long ball—and so does this “girly man”.

Cisco Kid
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Cisco Kid

Is there a distinction between domestic violence and a DUI? Reason I ask is I hope that Reyes gets the same fair treatment from fans, Rox org, and MLB that Helton received when he was arrested for a DUI.

Colorado Thistle
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I think anyone would agree there is a huge difference between striking another human being (especially if she is at a size disadvantage to you) and driving while intoxicated. There is no equivalency, though everyone should show compassion for anyone accused of a crime.

I also believe the MLB policy shows the league and the player’s union feel there is a large difference between the two as well.

Cisco Kid
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You’re right, there is a huge difference. Just ask anyone who has lost a loved one due to a drunk driver.

Bill
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Bill

Arenado wins another Gold Glove! Not sure anyone else was close. According to the DP he was not among the 3 finalists for MVP Award. The 3 were Harper, Votto and Goldschmidt and I’m guessing it will be a runaway for Harper. Neither Votto and Goldschmidt played for a winning team and I’m not sure if the Nats were above 500 either. But according to the stats guys Harper’s season was one for the ages. During the season Weiss commented… Read more »

Bob K.
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In the Player Choice Awards for MVP (voted on by the MLB players), Arenado was one of the top three finalists. Votto wasn’t but of course Harper actually won.

Gary
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Gary

Arenado was jobbed to not be in the finals!

sdcarp
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sdcarp

GM Meetings (Nov 9-12) well underway and things are heating up.

Twins/DBacks did a swap yesterday (I like the young OFer the Twins got in the deal).

Padres get Jose Pirela from Yankees today.

EdtheUmp
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OMG!!

Cargo to the Mets for Niese (SP) and Lagares (OF)!!

Not even on Rox website yet.

On first impression, I like the deal…Niese will project at a #4 for us (my thoughts only)…Lagares will be our starting CF with Blackmon in RF and Dickson in LF.

Thoughts??

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Last day of the GM meetings. It’s fascinating to me how much trade/FA chatter there is out in cyberspace and how little of the chatter involves the Rockies. I purposely follow at least one Beat Writer from every MLB team on Twitter. I loosely know a Marlins Beat Writer. So to some extent, I follow everyone. It’s not like all of this is accurate information. In fact – the bulk of it probably isn’t accurate. I can’t decide if the… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

the Apple iPhone auto spell correct is a blessing and a curse – especially when linked with fat fingers! Please make that “no one” above.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

From John Heymann (CBS Sports): “•The Rockies have again made Carlos Gonzalez available in trades, as many expected would be the case following the summer trade of Troy Tulowitzki. CarGo dominated the National League from June through season’s end after struggling with injuries in 2014 and early 2015 and undoubtedly restored an exceptional amount of trade value. Heyman speculatively listed the Orioles as a potential match when discussing Baltimore in his intro section.” This isn’t really news – although I… Read more »

Colorado Thistle
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Colorado Thistle

Patrick Saunders just tweeted that the Rox are NOT involved in the Simmons trade with the Braves. Leave it to the Rockies to get publicity for not doing anything.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

LOL – true. Simmons isn’t really a “fit” for what we need to do – but the idea of him (the best defensive SS in baseball) and NoDo on the same side of the infield is a thought that you can’t automatically pass. He’s very reasonably cost controlled through 2020 or 21 (I can’t remember the contract length). I think he’ll grow as an offensive player. Really – I expect his career to mimic Alcides Escobar’s career. Escobar has grown… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

CarGo, to his credit, is working out and getting ready for next season as if he will remain a Rockie. That is good for Bridich as the other teams know that CarGo isn’t loafing around waiting to see what happens. And I guarantee that he won’t be as bitter as Tulo was if a trade happens.

sdcarp, I was really hoping for the CarGo-Newcombe swap. Phooey.

sdcarp
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RMH – Cargo has always struck me as an all-around happy guy. He seems like the type that has a personality that can lift the mood of a room when he walks in. I totally agree with you regarding him not being bitter if and when he gets traded. Also…….I’m sure it’s easier for the Organization to communicate with the player and the player’s agent during the offseason. Those in-season trade deadline deals come together really quickly sometimes. My hope… Read more »

ProgMatinee
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Tulo could have been traded to the 1927 Yankees and been bitter.

Bill
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Bill

If the Rockies are really serious about really rebuilding and getting better for a run in 2 to 3 years than the last person you want on your team is Chris Davis who will just block the way for a young stud 1B to get on the job training. And the agent for Davis is the adorable, charming and eager to please Scott Boras. And Boras is pushing him as the very best free agent on the market because he’s… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Ding, ding, ding, ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

You sir are correct.

Bob K.
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I believe that Nov. 20 is the date that Rule 5 eligibles must be on the 40 man roster in order to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft.

The one Rockie player that should definitely be protected is Trevor Story. There may be others but he is the one that I noticed. I can see possibly 2 players on the 40 man roster that i would not have a problem cutting loose.

Julian
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Julian

How many spots do we need to protect guys who should be added to the 40 man roster?

AFL news: Freeland had another strong outing, and Tapia’s batting average is up to .338.

Bob K.
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Rockies Minor League players eligible for the Rule 5 Draft. Ryan Casteel – C,1B Ryan Arrowood – RHP Shane Broyles – RHP Tim Smalling – IF, OF Trevor Story – SS, 3B Helmis Rodriguez – LHP Yoely Bello – LHP Yonathan Daza – LF, OF Matt Flemer – RHP Carlos Estevez – RHP Austin House – RHP Zach Osborne – SS, IF Will Swanner – 1B, C Noel Cuevas – CF, OF Hamlet Marte – C, 1B Johendi Jimian –… Read more »

Julian
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Julian

Where does Freeland start this coming season – Modesto or Hartford?

Agbayani
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Agbayani

I think they’ll protect Estevez too. I know folks have said the scouting reports say “good fastball, live arm, no secondary pitches”, but guys like that have potential to develop and can be plucked away by another Rockies-type team — relievers are the easiest guys to keep on the MLB roster, particularly in the AL. Beyond Tapia, Story, and Senzatela is a long list of disappointments. I liked Austin House when Bridich wheeled and dealed and used a Rule 5… Read more »

Gary
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Gary

Too obscure for a PolySci major.But I do know that Dillion Thomas is no Dylan Thomas.

Julian
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Julian

I assume that’d we have a high pick in the Rule 5 draft. Maybe this year we can find a useful player there.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Like a 25 year old, RHed 1st baseman that would go on to hit 16 HRs and have 70 RBIs in 441 ABs in a pitchers park? Oh wait, that was Mark Canha last year. We drafted him…..and traded him to the A’s…….because I guess we didn’t need a RHed 1B platoon mate for Morneau and/or Paulsen. I’m routinely astounded by how dumb we are and the decisions we make. Somehow this one has sort of flown under the radar.… Read more »

Bill
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Bill

I’m going to be in Arizona next weekend and thought, “Hey maybe I can catch a game”. But it looks like the AFL is over this weekend. Is that correct. Are there any games to catch there on Thanksgiving weekend?

Bill
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Bill

Not sure I totally agree with the perspective. Yes, Tulo’s stats were down in the AL when he was traded. But the Blue Jays went from a team barely in the wild card hunt to one of the two best teams in the AL. And his bat (and the threat of his bat) and his defense allowed the Blue Jays to play Goins at 2B and all of a sudden Toronto had a great defense up the middle. I’m not… Read more »

sdcarp
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Well – the Indians might say they got jobbed when they got Ubaldo. That trade didn’t pan out for either side. You’re correct – time will tell with the Prospects we received. But we know for sure that we unloaded a declining talent and 50M dollars (Tulos 98M-Reyes’s 48M). Because of the money, the Tulo trade can not be fully “graded” for years to come. We don’t realize the savings until 2018. Part of the final equation is seeing what… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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Perfect article from PR regarding CarGo trade targets: carp, set up the CarGo lemonade stand next to the Indians hotel suite.

http://www.purplerow.com/2015/11/16/9742238/carlos-gonzalez-trade-targets-mlb-2015-offseason-colorado-rockies

sdcarp
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RMH – I read this article (shocking – right!) when it came out a couple of days ago. I generally agree with the writers logic. I like the White Sox as a candidate more than he does. In my opinion, we shouldn’t be too focused on how many Prospects the acquiring organization in the top 100, or 150, etc. What we really need is one top 25 Prospect that is a SP, then maybe a couple of “projectable” talents that… Read more »

sdcarp
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RMH – The writer mentions Carson Fulmer when discussing the White Sox. Honestly – I’d take Francelis Montas and Spencer Adams. Fulmer spent most of his college career as a reliever…….and I remember from this year’s amateur draft many scouts still think he’s better suited to be a reliever. Montas is just a big horse that looks durable.

Doc
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Doc

Read where Doug Fister is likely to sign with Rox –certainly seems to fit their MO

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Hard decisions, but so far so good IMO.

Sign Doug Fister and then we can concentrate on the bullpen and other problem areas.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Coped/pasted from PR:

Of the players left unprotected, catcher/first baseman Ryan Casteel, catcher Will Swanner, and right-handed starter Matt Carasiti are the most interesting names. These players have a good chance to be selected by another team in the Rule 5 draft on Dec. 10.

I know about Casteel and Swanner and I’m ok with leaving them off the 40-man, but I’ve never heard of Carasiti. Who the heck is he and he’s good enough to be drafted in Rule 5???

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Thanks to PR (credited with info) here are some tidbits: Yohan Flande actually was Rockies’ third best pitcher if we go by ERA+ sabermetric. 100+ ERA is exactly average and Flande had ERA+ of 99. He was above a lot of prominent pitchers. That explains why the Rox kept him on the 40-man as he is serviceable at a minimum wage. Charlie Clobber-son signed a minor league deal with the Dodgers with invitation to ST. Chad Bettis can be counted… Read more »

sdcarp
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Ladies and gentlemen – sit down and take a deep breathe. We just signed Brian Schlitter:

“Schlitter holds a career 5.40 ERA with just 42 strikeouts across 71 2/3 relief innings in the majors. If he makes it up to the big club in 2016, those numbers aren’t likely to improve with the righty calling Coors Field home.”

I’ve been thinking of making my 2016 prediction 62-100. With moves like this, I may go something like 58-104.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

What??? I’m thinking we’ll go 55-107.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Alright RMH – time for good news! Kyle Freeland finished his AFL season with a 2.84 ERA in 25 1/3 IP. This stat line is good – but is even more impressive when you consider Freeland got shelled (something like 6 runs in 1 inning) in his first start. Carlos Estevez finished with a 3.97 ERA in a relief role. Similar to Freeland, he got shelled in one appearance. Otherwise – he was pretty darn good as well. Of course… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Katy bar the door! The Rox trade Tommy Kahnle to the ChiSox for Yency Almonte. A tweet from Mr. Almonte: “I want to say thank you to the @whitesox for everything this season. I appreciate it all. Now to continue my career with the @Rockies” Very professional response for a 21 year old. I have no problem with this deal. Think about the chain of custody. Get Kahnle via Rule 5 and he’s actually quite productive his first year. This… Read more »

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

So help me out here, Carp. Do we now need to include Mr. Almonte in our 40-man roster to avoid the possibility of someone else now taking him in the Rule 5?

sdcarp
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sdcarp

No Bob. Almonte isn’t eligible for the rule 5 draft yet……and even if he was, he’s not going to be picked. So he’s safe. I’m thinking he may be eligible next year (although I’m not sure of that). Keep in mind, for a Rule 5 player to actually change hands, he gas to stay on the Major League 25 man roster of the claiming team for all of the following season. So that really limits the possible players and teams.… Read more »

Bob in WV
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Thanks, Carp. I am aware that a player taken needs to be kept on the 25-man roster all season and why that would severely limit the likelihood of grabbing a player from below the 40-man roster. What I’m not up to speed on is who is protected without being on the 40-man roster for the draft. Are all non-40 players exposed or is there an eligibility factor?

Bob K.
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Players who were 18 or younger on June 5 preceding the signing of their first contract must be protected after four minor league seasons. Players 19 and older must be protected after three seasons.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

A brief on Almonte can be found on Rockies.com. He is 21 years old and will be assigned to Modesto. So I don’t think he has to be on the 40 man roster.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Well, well, well. Rox send Rex Brothers to Cubs for 18 year old Dominican LHer Wander Cabrera. Cabrera signed as a 16 year old for a 250K bonus…..which counts against the Cubs international pool. I’m mildly surprised. Brothers is arbitration eligible, so he won’t be cheap (although who are we kidding – in the big scheme of things he’s definitely not expensive – especially for the Cubs). I thought there would be a race to sign him as a minor… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Bridich so far has shown that he’s adept at removing players during the off season and still get something in return rather than nothing at all. The two moves for Kahnle’s and Brothers’ still pales in comparison to tendering an offer to Cuddyer (that he refused) which turned into Mike Nikorek.

sdcarp
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Happy Thanksgiving RWOers! This whole Rex Brothers for Wander Dailes Santana Cabrera (maybe the coolest name ever!) trade has sent me down the road of researching the current status of Domincan baseball. This in turn has uncovered my gross ignorance on the subject. I knew that Dominican Winter League ball is a big deal. I also knew that there was a Dominican summer league. But….I didn’t know every single freakin’ MLB team has a Dominican summer league team. I thought… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Rosario going unclaimed shows how warped the salary arbitration system can be. Based on those 25 HR years, he probably would have gotten 3+ million bucks in arbitration, which is way more than anyone thinks he’s worth. So it’s back to AAA for him, the Rockies apparently deciding that it’s worth seeing if he can go on a tear in Albuquerque and restore some value. I think Rosario had the ability to decline that assignment and become a free agent,… Read more »

sdcarp
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Headline on MLBTradeRumors: “Mariners “Trying Hard” To Deal Mark Trumbo; Have Talked With Rockies” This is funny to me. I’ve thrown out at least a half-dozen potential Cargo trade scenarios. I’ve considered the Mariners…..and have even considered taking back Trumbo’s final arbitration year as a way to get even more in return. But…………the Mariners Farm isn’t particularly strong, especially in pitching. So I haven’t found an obvious match with them UNLESS they’re willing to deal Tijuan Walker. Walker is apparently… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

carp, on Trumbo: I was about to scream “hell no” since he’s the worst fielder since Cuddyer … but then, well … the advanced defensive stats suggest he’s actually kind of o.k. as a first baseman only. DO NOT under any circumstances (short of a 15 inning game) ever let him play the outfield. Hey, maybe we can take some other bad contracts in exchange for Jose Reyes too.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

I went to the Black Friday sale at Coors Field where everything in the store was half price. I had planned to snag an Arenado jersey, but not surprisingly they took down all jerseys and hid them so they wouldn’t lose them at half prices. 🙂 There was however lots of Rosario jerseys they were trying to get rid of. Now that he’s cleared the waivers, they might as well lower the Rosario jersey to 80% off. FWIW, I did… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

David Price to Boston for 217M.

Byung-ho Park to Twins for “only” 12M….plus the original posting fee. All-in-all, an economical selection that doesn’t require giving up a compensation pick.

sdcarp
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The “big picture” here is that the AL East “arms” race for 2016 has begun in earnest. The Red Sox now have Price and Craig Kimbrel. Toronto has lost Price…..with JA Happ as the “replacement.” Baltimore is fighting (perhaps a losing battle) to retain Chris Davis and Geraldo Parra. The Yankees can’t sit this out (in my opinion). You’ve got to figure they’ll be “in” on Zack Greinke. So will the Cubs, So will the Giants. If the Yanks miss… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Following the Rockies around the world during the winter season:
http://www.purplerow.com/2015/12/1/9819618/colorado-rockies-alex-balog-correlle-prime-australian-baseball-league-winter-updates

Alex Balog is doing very well in Australia while others are meh including Antonio Senzatela.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Jordan Lyles has a $2.975MM deal with the Rockies.

Gary
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Gary

Not bad for two months a year of actual pitching!

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Things that make you go “hmmmmmmm:” By non-tendering Flande (?), Gurka, and Herrera – we only have 37 on the 40 man roster. This tells me a few things (I think) in the following order: 1. We’re definitely positioning ourselves to make a rule 5 pick. 2. We’re expecting to pick up multiple players via trade that will go immediately to the 40 man. So the return for Cargo should be major league ready, or very near major league ready.… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Yeah, yeah, it’s still early and all that, but … carp’s 62-100 prediction is looking pretty good. Optimistic even. This is setting up as a truly awful team. Carp, no offense, but this comment actually got a laugh out of me just because it shows how low expectations are: “Rox non-tender Johan Flande. I see this as a calculated gamble. Clear a spot on the 40 man, bring him back on a minor league contract. I’m going to laugh if… Read more »

Bob in WV
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You could have all the planets line up and all their moons as well and it still wouldn’t happen. My mantra last winter was “I will not be optimistic in the spring”. No need to repeat that this year as everyone is on the same wavelength.

sdcarp
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I think I have a pretty good track record of coming on here and fessing up to my erroneous predictions. I’ve done that a number of times. It happens on a regular basis. That being said……I also think I’ve been correct way more than I’ve been wrong. The Rox were at a cross-roads during the 2013/2014 offseason. They should have traded Tulo then. I stated that numerous times. But we have yet to grasp the “sell high” concept. Now we’re… Read more »

roxnsox
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Hope Bridich gets his shot and doesn’t turn into O’Dowd – smart guy, but long years with hands tied.

If Monfort is Trump’s running mate, that means Trump was nominated, and the world is in a lot more trouble than fans of teams like the poor Colorado Rockies!

IggyRox
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Wow, enjoying the news! Samardja to the Giants, Zak to the Snakes… how exciting! What are the Rockies doing? (crickets)

I’d rather have the Denver Bears back. If you’re going to be minor league, might as well admit it. At least the Bears/Z’s tried, and often won. This outfit is a joke.

ProgMatinee
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Why would the Rockies bring in Parra? I don’t get it, then again what else is new when it comes to the Rockies. I can see exchanging a left handed OF for a right handed OF on the roster for better balance, but Parra is a huge downgrade from any of the 3 OFs we have already. If you’re okay with downgrading, why not just promote Kyle Parker or someone for the full season? Even if the rookie struggles, at… Read more »

Bob K.
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The only reason I can think of is that the Rockies have idiots in upper management. I also believe they should have traded Kyle Parker for anything they could get for him a long time ago.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Lots to digest here. Really big picture and attempting to read the tea leaves…..all signs point towards the BSCS still not coming to grips with the fact that we suck, that we WILL be bad in 2016 and 2017, and yet not fully committing to rebuilding. Instead, we’re getting a milquetoast pseudo rebuild will attempting to also field a competitive team in the meantime. Extremely flawed logic. Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong. That being said….I definitely do like Parra as… Read more »