2015/16 Rox Hot Stove Phase I – Oct thru Winter Meetings

This little Rox loving community doesn’t always agree with one another, but I think one thing that we do all agree upon is that this coming offseason is critically important. We diverge after that. There are all sorts of thoughts/ideas/theories regarding exactly what the Rox should do this offseason. Mine are well documented. But regardless of what you think, this is the place where we should compile our offseason thoughts. I’m thinking we’ll ultimately need three Hot Stove threads. This first one, Phase I, is for October thru the Winter Meetings. Phase II will be post Winter Meetings until mid-February (pitchers and catchers report), and Phase III will be Spring Training.

Here are some key Phase I dates courtesy of ESPN:

Oct. 4 — MLB regular season ends
Oct. 6 — AL wild-card game (ESPN)
Oct. 7 — NL wild-card game
Oct. 8 — ALDS begins
Oct. 9 — NLDS begins
Oct. 16 — ALCS begins
Oct. 17 — NLCS begins
Oct. 27 — World Series Game 1 at AL ballpark
Nov. 4 — World Series Game 7 (if necessary)
Five days after WS — Free agency begins
Nov. 9-12 — GM meetings, Boca Raton, Fla.
Dec. 7-10 — Winter meetings, Nashville, Tenn.
Dec. 7 — Hall of Fame pre-integration era committee (through 1946) vote announced

I “think” the Rule 5 draft is at the end of the Winter Meetings (it was last year).

What I’ll be looking for in this first phase of the Hot Stove is what the Rox do to the 40 man roster. By most accounts, this is a “stocked” year for the Rule 5 draft. So not only do the Rox need to protect key rule 5 eligible guys within our organization, we also likely need an open spot for a selected player. Last year the Rox “shrewdly” selected Mark Canha and then flipped him to the A’s for Austin House (Canha had a really, really nice year for the A’s – House – not so much for the Rockies Farm).

Solely with the 40 man roster in mind, trading Cargo early makes sense. But the market for big fish historically takes awhile to develop, so this may not be possible.

A more likely scenario will be facing (hopefully) the harsh truth with our multitude of AAAA types like Wilin, Matzek, Brothers, Gurka, Herrera, etc. while simultaneously coming to grips with the sunk cost concept on guys like Logan and Reyes. Bottom line – the Rox suck, so there should be very few no-doubters on the 40-man.

Carry on gang!

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Well duh – the other thing I’ll be looking for is whether the Rox Fire WW…..or not. For the longest time, I was indifferent on this, citing the fact that there were (are) so many big picture problems that it was worthless to focus on the Manager when the system was broken. But WW is lacking, and if we rebuild, we need a teaching Manager that connects with the younger players. We also need a pitching guru Manager. Is there… Read more »

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Walt Weiss being fired will not help much … if at all. For me it is the thing that has been discussed ad nauseam over the years.

THIS: “We also need a pitching guru” but not necessarily the manager of the team

Bob K.
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The Rockies had a number of games well on the way to being won this year and last year which were lost entirely due to Weiss mishandling the pitching staff. Last year I was willing to give Weiss the benefit of the doubt since I couldn’t tell whether it was Weiss or the pitching coaches that were incompetent. With a new pitching staff and Weiss still mishandling the pitching staff to give away games that should have been easily won,… Read more »

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Just happened to move to another TV in the house, and that one was tuned to Root, in the top of the 9th with 1 out, Giants leading 3-0. All of a sudden it was 3-3 and by the time the Rocks were retired, it was 7-3! A ninth inning meltdown worthy of the season, only by the OTHER team, on the ROAD! Ax made the bottom exciting, loading the bases on two walks and a single, before striking out… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Padres will not retain Pat Murphy “in same capacity” (Manager) next season.

Gary
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Gary

Pads rival ROX for worst decisions over the past 12 months.

Julian
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Julian

What number draft pick will we have?

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Ag did a nice job explaining this. We tied with Oakland and Milwaukee for the 4th pick (behind Philly, Cincy, and ATL in that order), but “win” the 4th pick based on being the worst of that group in 2014. Our consistent badness is paying off.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Marlins to interview Larry Bowa for Manager position. Bowa is an intense, intense man. The Marlins will drive him crazy. He’ll someone if he takes that position.

Gary
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Gary

Bowa will blow a fuse before all-star break.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Current thought of top 5 amateur draft eligible players: Alex Hansen: RHP from U of Oklahoma with a huge arm (94-98), huge size (6’8″) and who is improving. AJ Puk: LHP from U of Florida; 2nd in the nation in K/9 last year as a sophomore friday starter for one of the best teams in the nation in the toughest conference … and will only get better. Blake Rutherford: OF from Chaminade Prep in LA; basically has starred at every… Read more »

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I know these Hot Stove posts are pretty popular in the offseason, so i’ve pinned it to the top of the list 🙂

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Orioles confirm that both Duquette and Showalter “will absolutely return next season”.

Mike Raysfan
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Possible dissention within the Rockies on Eddie Butler???

“Rockies GM Jeff Bridich is said to be a believer in young right-hander Eddie Butler, a former Top 100 prospect that has struggled mightily in the Majors. Others in the organization aren’t as sold on him.”

Bob K.
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Projected Arbitration Salaries for this off season. John Axford (5.170) – $6.5MM Michael McKenry (4.097) – $1.4MM Adam Ottavino (4.087) – $1.6MM Jordan Lyles (4.060) – $2.8MM Rex Brothers (3.131) – $1.5MM DJ LeMahieu (3.128) – $3.7MM Wilin Rosario (3.123) – $3.2MM Charlie Blackmon (3.102) – $4.5MM Brandon Barnes (3.024) – $1.2MM Nolan Arenado (2.155) – $6.6MM http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2016.html

Agbayani
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I’m watching the Astros-Yankees play-in game. Announcers keep talking about batters “taking” pitches, and “working” counts. Where are they taking these pitches? Home with them after the game? Where are they “working?” As a Rockies fan, I always understood the rule to be that you had to swing at any pitch that was not literally in the dirt. Did they change the rules?

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Patrick Saunders is reporting (on Twitter) that WW will return for 2016. It’s on Twitter – so it has to be accurate, correct?

IggyRox
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I read it myself in the Post online. Apparently true.

In a related story, a bar manager at the Rooftop was unceremoniously fired due to his failure to produce enough drink sales and revenue to satisfy team expectations. “We have our priorities, you know”, said an undisclosed Rockies staffer.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Love it!

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Thomas Harding reported that WW will return. I do like the fact the players will play hard they the final out. I can only hope that he will wise up and delegate bullpen management to Steve Foster.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Former Rockie Will Harris working as the Astros setup man in the playoffs … 1.90 ERA this year. Guess we had no room for him.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Colin McHugh won 19 games and we had no room for him. Neither did we have room for Latroy Hawkins. At least he rides off into the sunset with post season play.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Don’t forget Carlos Torres who in the Mets bullpen.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

That’s right … you could assemble a much better pitching staff out of former Rockies in this year’s playoffs than the current Rockies version.

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

Of course, there is nothing to support the notion that had they all stayed with the Rockies that they would perform any better than the guys there now. There is a reason that they are doing so well and its far beyond altitude.

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

Hey rmh, remember when we met briefly on Opening Day in Houston? After the win that day, with Guthrie I might add, I was thinking how as bad as the Rockies were we were lucky we weren’t Astros fans. Man do I feel stupid tonight.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

The Astros rebuilt, from the ground up. They’re now on a solid foundation.

For whatever reason (well – the reason is Monfart), the Rockies just can’t come to grips with this. I’ve used the “addiction” analogy previously. The Rockies are addicted to losing. The first step on the road to recovery from an addiction is admitting to the addiction. The Rox can’t make this first step.

Julian
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Julian

And don’t forget Franklin, who is in the Royals’ bullpen.

Bob K.
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Darn almost forgot Nicasio with the Dodgers.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

He who puts Franklin Morales on his team’s post-season roster will live to regret it! And the Royals are in the playoffs despite Jeremy Guthrie’s putrid 148 innings of 5.95 ERA baseball. Everything they do turns out o.k. these days … they’re the anti-Rockies!

Agbayani
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Well, maybe not everything the Royals do turns out right. Case in point, Johnny Cueto. Supposedly the Ace, heading into free agency, he’d say “Gimmee the ball”, right? Wrong. “In the weeks leading up to the playoffs, Yost and Eiland asked Cueto if he wanted to leapfrog Ventura and set up for Game 1. Cueto demurred, citing his worries about working on short rest. Even when Yost suggested pitching only a few innings in last Sunday’s regular-season finale, Cueto felt… Read more »

Agbayani
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Pedro Strop, former Rockies property, will also likely work for the Cubs today.

Bill
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As far as I know the Rockies management has not announced Walt is coming back. Walt did but the GM has been strangely silent. I presume he is but I’m guessing that Harding and Saunders got their news from Walt. Frankly I’m not a Weiss fan. The fact that they did well (playing about .500) the last few weeks of the season means little. Basically it was exhibition baseball. But unless the Rockies get serious about winning games it doesn’t… Read more »

Julian
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I’ll admit that prior to this year I’d never heard of Jake Arrieta (I’m sure that many of you have). What little I know about him is that his career got off to a slow start, and now he’s a 29 year old superstar. So, the optimist in me wonders if there is still hope for some of our pitchers who have had slow starts to their careers to have a similar improvement in their mid to late 20s.

Bob K.
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Sure there is, just as soon as the Rockies either trade them away or DFA them.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Cubs are legit. I like this team.

Mike Raysfan
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True, and in a 1 game playoff what team wouldn’t run their .075 second half pitcher out there? In a 1 game playoff the scale was definitely tipped in favor of the Cubs. The Cubs did had a good Sep against the Cardinals so I’m curious to see what will happen. Will not being able to Arrieta out there every game matter? Interesting on the many media reports on how Arrieta got plunked and “dusting it off” but nothing about… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Will Arrieta steal second?

sdcarp
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sdcarp

He sure did (steal second).

jaredean
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jaredean

How ’bout that Dexter Fowler…eh? Still owe a certain Dex hater dinner 😉

jaredean
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jaredean

I predict the kid will have a monster playoff’s, getting tons of buzz before he starts to slump heavily next year about a month into the season…

roxnsox
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roxnsox

Did you perceive his body language last night? He had a fierce look on his face the minute he came up, one I never saw before. He was jumping and hoo-rahing and slapping and yakking all night. And in the scrum, he was at the front, screaming. Ummmm….who are you and what did you do with our mellow Dex? (Not criticizing though.) Oh, and he played pretty well too! Loving it.

roxnsox
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roxnsox

Do we maybe need a Playoffs Discussion thread? This is making Hot Stove awfully long already 🙂

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Always fun (at least for me) as I watch the playoffs – keeping in mind the team payrolls. Recently, payrolls, making the playoffs, and succeeding in the playoffs don’t seem to necessarily correlate. Here are the 2015 payrolls: Los Angeles Dodgers: $273,440,830 New York Yankees: $211,747,857 Boston Red Sox: $178,513,094 San Francisco Giants: $169,452,777 Detroit Tigers: $166,675,000 Los Angeles Angels: $159,687,833 Washington Nationals: $158,514,285 Philadelphia Phillies: $136,366,666 Texas Rangers: $135,750,000 Toronto Blue Jays: $121,125,000 Seattle Mariners: $119,237,142 Baltimore Orioles: $118,543,333… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Nice distribution. 3 teams (Mets, Pirates, and Astros) in bottom 1/3 of pay. 3 teams (Cards, Cubs, and Royals) in middle 1/3. Yankees, Rangers, Jays, and Dodgers in top 1/3.

JulieG
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JulieG

Discounting the Dodgers, which seem to have money to burn, In the long run it appears to me that the more you spend the more you get which tends to make a difference over time. Of course, there are aberrations in that some teams can do well with less, discounting us:-)

Pooter
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Hey friends! Sorry, this has already probably been mentioned on here but I’m gonna say it anyway.

Did you all realize the starter for game 1 for the Astros, who has 19 wins this year, was cut but the Rockies to make room for BOOOOOOONE LOGAN!!!

Have a good day

jaredean
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jaredean

And check out who’s third on the mound to pitch for the Dodgers…

Pooter
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Pooter

Oh and I forgot to mention! They acquired Mchugh from the Mets by sending them none other than my boy EYJ! Sad all around!

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Thank you Jeremy Affeldt for bringing some common sense explanation to your on air colleagues. I have no issue with the way he was hit last night. None. Amazing how quickly everyone has jumped on the Arrieta bandwagon. While he did have a decent year last year lets face it, he struggled in the AL East and there is no way anyone predicted this season. Media needs to take a deep breath. And as much as it pains me to… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Mr September (Tulo) — as tying run at the plate, bottom of the 9th STRIKES OUT! Shocking. 0-4 with 3 men left on base. Jays fans may want Reyes back before this series ends!

Colorado Thistle
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Colorado Thistle

I think Tulo’s post-season BA is around .190.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

And somehow both Donaldson and Bautista left the game with injuries? (I’m following on game day). That’s Tulo’s role!

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Mr. September, Tulo: 0-8, 3 K, 5 left on base so far this postseason. Extra innings, he’s due up — I say “pop-out”.

Career postseason: .197 coming into today’s game.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

And Tulo finishes the 14 inning marathon at 0-6, 3 strikeouts. Baseball is weird: I was rooting for the Jays when Tulo first went over there, but somehow watching these games, I’m kind of enjoying watching them – the big money team, including Tulo – struggle. Or maybe I’m just weird since I don’t know my own mind.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

And Hawk takes the loss.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

File under the category “the rich get richer,” the Cubs sign Eddy Julio Martinez: “The deal, reported by several industry sources but yet to be confirmed by the Cubs, is believed to be for $3 million. It had been reported last weekend that he agreed to a $2.5 million deal with the Giants, though he later had a change of heart. The five-tool player is projected to remain in center field as he develops and would provide another fantastic piece… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

FWIW – the immediate impact Cuban players are all accounted for. The next wave of Cubans will be guys like Eddy Julio Martinez who are essentially like the kids available in the May amateur draft. My guess he can start his career in high A ball.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Uh oh…….new item to put on MLBs Hot Stove agenda – elimination of contact slide at 2nd. It will be the Buster Posey rule, but called the Chase Utley rule. Now…..this is about as predictable as Jake Arrieta stealing 2nd other night – Utley will have a ball thrown at his head as soon as he steps to the plate in NY. If the Dodgers are smart, they start him in game 3 and slot him in at #1 or… Read more »

sdcarp
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An excerpt from an article in today’s NY Post: “Harvey, whose lateness to a mandatory off-day practice recently lowered his already shaky standing with fans and teammates, could potentially score points by plunking a Dodger or two (Utley, in particular). But with so much at stake, does he want to risk baserunners and ejection? Yes, another fascinating storyline in a series that is no longer just another postseason series. Doesn’t it feel likely now that there will be a dugout-clearing… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Oh well – drama gone (mostly). Utley suspended for games 3 & 4.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

He would probably have sat out next two games so no loss there. (Concussion?)

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Utley was (and Dodgers say still is) penciled into tomorrow night’s lineup. We’ll have to wait for the outcome of the appeal.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

RMH – I think we’ll find out tomorrow night. I see no way this suspension will be upheld. I’m all for changing and/or clarifying this rule, but you can’t just arbitrarily do it during the playoffs. It needs to implemented beginning next season.

If I’m the Dodgers – I start him tomorrow night. If Harvey throws at him, he’ll get tossed. That’s a plus for the Dodgers.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Tuuuullooooo! But he still hasn’t in late n close.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Yep, Tulo with the big blast! And I enjoyed seeing that, even though I had also been ripping him for his clutch failures …

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

“The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.” Was this said by a) Mark Twain or b) Troy Tulowitzki?

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If ANYTHING points out the Rockies malaise, it is this writer’s take on the success of the Royals in their hitting philosophy and the inability of the opponent’s bullpen to “shut down the other team in the late innings” this is it. In one simple paragraph the two most important Rockies shortcomings are painfully revealed. Solve those two glaring inabilities and the Rockies, every year, are an 81-81 team at worst. “Kansas City’s dramatic rally highlighted a strength and weakness… Read more »

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David Schoenfield, a blogger writing on the ESPN website was the author of the above quote. Forgot to give credit.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Exactly what RWOers have been preaching for a while; Bridich doing his best collecting flame throwers who can throw strikes. Actually doesn’t have to be a really high velocity pitcher if you can throw strikes. Look at Bartolo Colon at age 42 last night – filled up the strike zone in the low 90s but with movements. Or the great Greg Maddux – pitchability. As for hitting, Rockies need to cut down on striking out. Far too often, more than… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
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Wow. Axford missed free agency by 2 days so he will be back in 2016.

“MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz pegged Axford at $6.5MM”

sdcarp
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sdcarp

To me, the first big offensive domino of the Hot Stove season will be Jason Heyward. Now that the Cards are eliminated, he may get some early indications of his mindset, and also how hard the Cards will pursue him. I can’t see them doing the contract that it’s going to take to keep him. They didn’t do it for Pujols, and he was a homegrown St Louis legend. In my mind, his decision will indirectly impact the Cargo market.

Bill
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I’m not sure what the dollar figure is that Heyward is seeking but the big difference between him and Pujols is age. Heyward is in his prime, Albert for all his greatness was past his prime. And despite his strike out in the 6th or 7th today, he’s improved his hitting against lefties. Now the Cards always seem to find outfielders who can hit and field… Piscotty, Pham, Griljuk (or whatever his name is) etc. so they might not pony… Read more »

sdcarp
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Bill – I’ve seen beat writers/bloggers throw around 8 years, 200M. I’ve also heard the theory that there could be an “out” close for both sides after 4 years (this could make it more tolerable for St Louis). You’re 100% correct about his age. That’s a big part of why he’s so valuable. Even so, and even if he ages well (and keep in mind he throws his body around quite a bit), someone will be paying him north of… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Bill – the Yankees have a kid in their Farm (Aaron Judge) that reminds me of Grichuk (and vica versa) except Judge is even better (I think). They’re both big, strong, athletic guys. I think Judge is 6′-6. Imagine Paul Bunyan as a baseball player and that’s what this Judge kid looks like.

Julian
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The Arizona Fall League started yesterday. Tapia is playing instead of Dahl; he went 0-4 with two strikeouts. But Matt Carasiti and Carlos Estevez each threw a scoreless inning in relief, and Estevez got the save.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Thanks Julian. FWIW – Carasiti is credited with a Hold.

In my comment to Bill above talking about Grichuk and Judge, I note how big a strong both of those guys are. Carlos Estevez is another huge kid. Check out this video:

http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=370108683&sid=milb

Bob K.
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For those that like Brooks Brown he has joined Nicasio as a Dodger.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/brooks-brown-claimed-dodgers-rockies.html

Julian
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I didn’t realize that we’d waived Brooks Brown. Why did we do that? I assume it was because we needed a spot on the 40 man roster, so who did we add to the roster at the time that we waived Brooks Brown? In a bullpen as bad as ours, he seemed like he had a chance of making the roster next year.

sdcarp
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If Brooks Brown belonged to any other Major League Club, I would surmise that perhaps his shoulder issues may be more serious than advertised. But it’s the Rockies. I could just be a dumb ass mistake by the Clown Show. We’ll see.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Well well well………it does seem as though there’s some housekeeping going on at 20th and Blake. From Denver.com:

“The Colorado Rockies made four roster moves today regarding their 40-man roster. Most notably right-handed reliever Brooks Brown was claimed off of waivers by the Los Angeles Dodgers. The other three moves had the Rockies outrighting catcher Michael McKenry, and right-handed relievers Simon Castro, and Gonzalez Germen to Albuquerque.”

Me thinks another team could claim McHenry. I put the chances at 50/50.

Bob K.
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They had to already pass through waivers in order to be outrighted off the 40 man roster. The roster moves were necessary because the season is over and they had to have room for the players that were on the 60 day DL. So McKenry made it through waivers.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Thanks Bob.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Bob – McHenry did clear waivers, but he rejected his assignment and is now a free agent.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Simon Castro and Gonzalez Germen who were also outrighted are minor league free agents this off season.

The 40 man roster is at 37 with 5 still on the 60 day DL so at least 2 more spots need to be opened somehow.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

And……our boy Kyle Freeland pitches tonight for the mighty Salt River Rafters in the AFL.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Oh boy – 2/3 IP, 6 ER. Atta boy! Rox pitcher development…….2nd to none.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Ouch. Freeland, horrible start to the fall. Not panic time … yet. Lots of rusty pitchers down there who haven’t pitched in a game for over a month. Interesting final rosters: David Dahl was going to the AFL, but now apparently isn’t — Tapia is there instead. Also some catcher I’ve never heard of. Overall a weak Rockies contingent with only Freeland and Tapia as real prospects on our AFL team.

Agbayani
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And I should add: watching the playoffs, it really drives home how far away this Rockies team is from competing with the big boys. Incredible young hitting talent, half a dozen players deep (Cubs, Astros). Incredible 1-2 starters, or even 1-2-3 starters (Mets). Lineups that don’t give opposing pitchers any opportunity to relax (Blue Jays). And I haven’t even mentioned the Dodgers. The only team I look at and say “maybe we could get there” in a few years is… Read more »

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

You are all aware that the Cubs are destined to win it all, right? Need proof? Go back and watch “Back to the Future 2” where Marty McFly in 1985 goes 30 years into the future to 2015 and learns that the Chicago Cubs win the World Series. Got a lot of laughs back then but it could come true, although it could possibly happen in November the way playoffs go now.

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

Should have mentioned October 2015 to make the last sentence make more sense.

Bill
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Bill

I think Ag is correct in that the only team still playing that the Rockies might be able emulate is KC. Starting pitching is only so-so, except for last night when Cueto was electric and they depend on their bullpen. They also play great defense and use their speed to their advantage. Of course the Rockies bullpen ERA was horrible this year. And one of the reasons for that was their starters didn’t go deep into games. (Even on the… Read more »

Julian
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In the Arizona Fall League, Sam Moll gives up two earned runs in one inning, and Jordan Patterson goes 1 – 5 with a steal. On the other hand, Daniel Winkler pitches a scoreless inning. I was upset when we lost him in the Rule 5 draft.

Julian
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Maybe it’s the corollary to bad player development, but I’ve never thought that we do a great job of managing the 40 man roster. Periodically I think that we keep and let go the wrong guys. Winkler makes me think of that, and I’ll be pissed if Brooks Brown becomes an effective pitcher for the Dodgers, while we kept guys on the 40 man roster who don’t turn into anything useful for us.

sdcarp
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Brooks Brown doesn’t bother me. He’s got a low ceiling, and is an older player. But given our historically bad SP throughout the entire system, top-to-bottom, losing Daniel Winkler (even considering the TJ surgery) was an inexcusable mistake.

Bob K.
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Yes and the Winkler loss was all due to the Rockies trying to save money. They didn’t put him on the 40 man roster because they would have had to pay the major league rate instead of the minor league rate for having him on the DL.

Julian
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Bob, are you sure that’s the reason? Could it have been (or also been) a 40 man roster issue? If they let him go to save the difference between those two salaries, that’s crazy given how good a minor leaguer he was before the injury.

Bob K.
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Like carp said they really thought that it was safe to leave him off of the 40 man because of the TJ surgery. They were ready to call him up to the big league right before he got hurt. No injury, no question he would still be a Rockie property on the major league club and would have been a valuable asset in the bullpen.

sdcarp
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My take on Winkler (solely my opinion) is that the Rox brass thought they could get cute and leave him off the 40 man (unprotected) and no one would take him because of the TJ surgery. Then they got thoroughly outsmarted by the Braves who not only took him, but shrewdly brought him up when the rosters expanded in September to start the clock ticking on his Rule 5 service time. He only pitched 1 2/3 innings, but rosters were… Read more »

sdcarp
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To rub salt in the wound, we chose to keep any of about a dozen really bad, low ceiling guys over Winkler.

Bob K.
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I am assuming that Matt McBride was also waived and cleared waivers since he has declared free agency.

http://rockiesroster.com/

What they do with Dustin Garneau will be interesting. He has 3 options left but is also eligible for minor league free agency this off season. Tom Murphy needs to stay on the 40 man roster or he will be Rule 5 eligible this off season and I do believe that some team would draft him.

Julian
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Tom Murphy definitely needs to stay on the 40 man roster or else some other team would definitely draft him. I think that we want to keep Garneau. I’d see Murphy starting the year in AAA and playing every day, and Garneau being the major league backup. Midyear, depending on what’s going on, we could trade Hundley at the trade deadline and bring up Murphy. By 2017 Murphy should be the starter. By my count, if we don’t resign Morneau… Read more »

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I think this is a rational analysis of the C situation. What “should” happen is Hundley is traded this offseason. He far (I mean far) over-performed his career to date offensive numbers last season. He’s relatively cheap. Unlike guys like Wilin, Barnes, Logan, etc., Hundley has some trade value, albeit it minor. This would free the C situation for Garneau and Murphy while clearing a spot on the 40 man. Footnote – I make the above suggestion as part of… Read more »

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Zack Greinke opts out of contract (or has decided to opt out – not official yet).

The Dodgers were on the hook for 71M for Greinke final 3 years – so now they have that……but will be really hard pressed to find something equal to Greinke in that price range. They’re saying they will become more frugal……this will be a good test.

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One thing I’ve been watching with great interest is the performance of Yoenis Cespedes since his trade to the Mets. I don’t have to tell anyone here that his performance has been across the board amazing. He’s re-established himself as a true 5 tool player. The trade flipped a light switch in his head (I bet the Tigers and Red Sox are wondering where this version of Cespedes was when they had him). It reminds me of the Fred McGriff… Read more »

Doc
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Interesting take from Patrick Saunders in the DP spelling out the woes of Tulo–best part was the end where he relates ESPN’s ranking of sports franchises: “ESPN rankings. In case you missed it, ESPN the Magazine’s “Ultimate Standings 2015” came out last week. The Rockies came in depressingly low. At No. 110 overall, the Rockies were ranked the 13th worst franchise in professional sports, and as MLB’s second-worst organization, trailing only the Philadelphia Phillies. Describing the dark side of the… Read more »

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Doc – thanks for posting this. It was an “Insider” article – so I couldn’t access, but I expected a super low rating. Why are the Phillies rated lower than the Rockies? They’re not that far removed from winning a World Series and having great attendance. I’m not sure I get that. Purple Row had a poll the other day about organizing a fan boycott week of the Rockies in 2016. Honestly, I think it’s a great idea if it… Read more »

Doc
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Problem with having a successful boycott is the tremendous fan support of the Rox opponents.

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and what do you think reduced revenue will do to any roster redo? A coup where someone makes Monfort an offer he can’t refuse [MONEY not a horse head] would be better.Any team with our record that draws 31,000 should be a cash cow and take over target for shark tank investors!

sdcarp
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So Gary – you’re saying Mark Cuban is buying the Rockies? I like it!

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Hey all – still wish there was a separate Playoffs Discussion Thread… so much to talk about there! Right now I just have to say that there has been pretty poor strike-calling overall. Aren’t these guys supposed to be the top-shelf umps?

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And please, please, please, whoever you stat-head-robots are out there in tv land…. STOP with the First Step, Route Effiency, Exit Velocity, Total Distance, or whatever the HELL else you feel the need to compute and paste all over the screen. Is the whole world now dried and shriveled up to be seen only as metrics? Whatever happened to just watching the grand old game in October, or any time, with hearts and eyes and just the sheer pleasure of… Read more »

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I’m probably a little snarly because the Cubbies are floundering tonight :(. But here’s some more irritating crap:
First step stealing. Max speed. Base steal time. (Ok, I admit the last one is interesting:)

sdcarp
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I’ll spare you stats and just say the Mets, Astro’s, and Cubs are built to be around, and be contenders for awhile. These aren’t one-time shots for these three teams. So if your Cubs don’t make it this year, be patient. They’ll be back – soon.

roxnsox
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Thanks sdcarp. I do appreciate that. But you know the drill with the Cubs… how many more Next Years to wait for? 🙂

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Amen, roxnsox. Someone convinced someone else that all the drivel they are putting up on the screen is pertinent.

I would be willing to bet that around 70% (or more) of TV viewers really don’t like all that “stuff”.

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roxnsox, That freakin’ “strike box” they put up on all MLB telecasts has made everyone an expert. It’s an approximation, not actual. Try this (I can do it because I have Directv and the DVR of the game allows frame-by-frame replay)…Montero is the worst…he “pulls” pitches 3-6″ constantly…watch closely at all the catchers. Virtually all of them “pull” pitches. Why? Umps can see it and are not swayed. Even ML catchers cannot break themselves of a habit they learn in… Read more »

Gary
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Back to the Future 2 says this is the year the Cubs win the WS, but it may take Doc and Marty and the flux capacitor to dig them out of this 2-0 hole.

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The Phils just outrighted Dominic Brown to AAA. Because of his service time, he can (and likely will) elect for free agency.

If the Rox trade Cargo and go into rebuild mode, he’s a perfect buy low, let the Coors Field Effect kick in, trade at the deadline next season candidate.

sdcarp
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Fascinating analysis (albeit slightly dated) of Christhian Adames and Tom Murphy;

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/projecting-rockies-call-ups-cristhian-adames-tom-murphy/

Unfortunately, the Murphy analysis paints a bleak picture. However, I find the Adames analysis quite favorable and like some of the comparables.

Agbayani
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Good links, carp. On Murphy: the fangraphs analysis is pessimistic because of his contact skills/high K rate. I’m more concerned about the low walk rate. That’s why I’ve called him Iannetta without the walks, which is, as fangraphs suggests, not a starting catcher. We’ll see.

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“Iannetta without the walks.” That’s hits home – even though it’s a bad thing. Iannetta has always had value in deep, strong fantasy leagues because he brought two things to the table – HR’s (relative to other late round Catchers) and a very strong OBP relative to his BA (our League has always used OBP as the 6th offensive category). So in this “deep” format – Iannetta has generally been slightly more valuable than the $1 minimum. Take that OBP… Read more »

Julian
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Arizona Fall League news: on Monday Estevez pitched a clean inning (15 pitches, 10 for strikes, and two strikeouts, and got the save), and Tapia was one for two, although he then got caught stealing.

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sdcarp

From MLB Trade Rumors – the Rockies entire coaching staff will return in 2016 (oh joy!)…..with one exception: “The Rockies will, however, lose mental skills coach Andy McKay to the Mariners, Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune reports. McKay will reportedly take over for Chris Gwynn as the organization’s farm director. Along with Gwynn, a number of minor-league coaches have also departed, signaling that new GM Jerry Dipoto is changing the way the Mariners develop prospects.” File that under… Read more »

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Well roxnsox – looks like the Cubs have met their match in Mets juggernaut pitching staff. But as previously noted, fear not. In my opinion, the Cubs are the most “fixable” of this year’s playoff teams. They need another shut-down front of the rotation SP to pair with Arrietta. Well…..it just so happens David Price, Jordan Zimmerman, Zack Grienke, Johnny Cueto, etc. are available this year. They can easily afford to shop in that price range. They’ll end up with… Read more »

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Mets and Royals have both played fantastic baseball this postseason. Off the top of my head I can’t recall any boneheaded plays — you know, the sort that the Rangers made half a dozen of in allowing the Blue Jays to steal that series. Royals continue to fascinate me — why is their scrap heap veteran righty Chris Young so effective whereas our guy Kendrick was so awful? I’d like to say it was scouting or something, but really it… Read more »

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Stat post on Royals Chris Young: average fastball 86.6. And the most extreme flyball pitcher in baseball — he’s 6’10” and he lives up in the strike zone. Should be a recipe for disaster, but it isn’t — flyballs are less likely to turn into hits than groundballs, so we get a ridiculously low BABIP: .209 this year, .247 for his career. Yeah, I know, Coors Field and all that, but just for the heck of it, I’d love to… Read more »