2018 Hot Stove Phase II – Winter Meetings to Pitchers/Catchers Report

12/16/2017

 

Let’s start a new thread. Hot Stove Phase II – Winter Meetings to mid- February (pitchers and catchers report to ST).

 

As we all know, the Winter Meetings generate all sorts of news and rumors, but not that many actual transactions occur (during the meetings) in the big scheme of things. But the seeds are sown during the Winter Meetings. We’ve also had the Rule 5 Draft. As expected, the Rox didn’t take anyone in the Major League portion of the Rule 5 Draft, and only lost Julian Fernandez (to the Giants). I think Fernandez sticking with the Giants is a real long shot. I expect to see him Hartford by mid-season.

 

Of course the Rox signed Bryan Shaw (essentially Pat Neshek’s replacement – I think he’s a little better than Neshek) and re-signed Jake McGee.

 

Ryan Schoppe from Purple Row wrote this regarding the Rockies current payroll/budget yesterday:

 

“When we combine all of the team’s salary figures, the Rockies’ current 2018 payroll is at $121.6 million, and assuming that the team’s payroll in 2018 is roughly equivalent to the 2017 payroll, that leaves $25 million for them to spend this offseason.”

 

I tend to believe payroll will increase a bit, so I think the Rox really have about 30M remaining to work with for 2018. I we are to believe what we read, negotiations with Greg Holland are well underway, and we may even be close to resigning him. If true (and this would apply to Wade Davis as well), I anticipate an AAV of 15Mish.

 

So that leaves +/- 15M for a big bat – the “position” I think we really need.

 

Logan Morrison?

Jay Bruce?

Lorenzo Cain?

Someone via trade – Abreu (highly unlikely), Yelich (the price will be astronomical), one of my proposed one-stop shopping deals (Colome and Longoria? Hicks and an out-of-favor Yankee Dellin Betances?)

I’m sincerely intrigued by my Hicks/Betances proposed trade. According to MLB Trade Rumors….Hicks is due 3M via year 1 arbitration. Betances is due about 4.5M via arbitration. Both are Club controlled in 2018 and 2019. If we believe what we read, the Yanks are currently dangling Clint Frazier (who I also covet – Frazier can play CF) in a proposed deal with the Pirates for Gerit Cole. If that deal falls through, let’s offer DJ and Jeff Hoffman. Then……play a platoon of McMahon/Valaika at 2nd and sign Logan Morrison.

 

Let the Hot Stove discussion continue!

 

60 Comments

    • sdcarp

      December 16, 2017

      Hey gang – let’s move the ongoing Hot Stove conversation to this thread.

      I love today’s Dodgers/Braves trade for both teams. It’s really quite brilliant on the Dodgers part. They just cleared enough payroll to chase Bryce Harper or Manny Machado in 2019 while also keeping Kershaw? Meanwhile….the Braves also clear some payroll, get rid of clubhouse cancer Kemp, and make room for the #1 Prospect in all of baseball – Ronald Acuna.

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    • sdcarp

      December 20, 2017

      The Giants are getting weird on us gang.

      They just traded for Evan Longoria, and are apparently chasing Jay Bruce hard. So the Giants are just getting older and more expensive.

      I have floated the idea of taking Longoria as part of a trade for Alex Colome (Colome be the “prize” of the trade). My premise was that the cost for Longoria would not be high given his reasonable, yet not inexpensive, contract. I feel somewhat vindicated on this claim, as the Giants primarily gave up Christian Arroyo – a player that does not impress me. I can see Arroyo being a decent BA guy, but with little pop. That might profile well at 2nd……but not at 3rd. Bigger picture…………the means the Fire Sale is about to be a “go” in Tampa. I don’t see how you trade the face of the franchise and then not trade guys with more value (Archer and Colome are prime examples).

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      • Bob K.

        December 20, 2017

        Trading Longoria now prevented him from becoming a 10/5 player five days into next season. This prevented him from gaining the right to block trades.

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    • sdcarp

      December 20, 2017

      Player A – 28 YO, 2017 core stats = 2.84 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 76 IP, 75 SO, 19 Saves

      Player B – 32 YO, 2017 core stats = 3.61 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 57 IP, 70 SO, 41 Saves

      If you believe what you read (I caution against this these days), Player A can be had on a 3 year deal, Player B wants a 4 year deal.

      Talk amongst yourselves.

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        • sdcarp

          December 21, 2017

          Of course you’re correct. That was an easy quiz. To be fair, “A” (Reed) has some strong fly ball tendenancies at times. That said, this is a bit of a no-brainer for me. I vote Reed also.

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          • Bob K.

            December 21, 2017

            As I recall last year Holland had lots of fly outs and some critical fly balls left the park. The really bad part was that the ones that left the park were usually after walks.

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      • Bob K.

        December 24, 2017

        “The Rockies haven’t been in touch with Adrian Gonzalez, GM Jeff Bridich tells MLB.com’s Thomas Harding. “

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    • rockymountainhigh

      December 29, 2017

      Happy New Year’s, Rockies. Rockies sign Wade Davis! Shaw, McGee, Davis, Oberg, and Rusin are locks. We also have Otto, Estevez, Senzatela, etc competing for the remaining BP spots. Gone are the days of scrap aging free agents. Thanks Steve Foster for getting Wade Davis after winning over Greg Holland last year with his KC connections.

      Now everyone in the West will say it’s a six-inning game against the Rockies. It used to be the Dodgers and Giants that always had this reputation.

      Last question remains – who’s at 1B? Will it be Reynolds, Desmond, McMahon combo or a free agent? No scrap free agent please like a A-Gon. I believe Desmond will have a bounce back year similar to Parra this season and he can move around the field as needed.

      Now if David Dahl can stay healthy and/or Tapia have a break out year. Plus a rotation with Gray and Anderson at the top. Oh man, I’m spending the next 2 months sleeping like a baby with that WS trophy at the center of my dreams.

      Happy Happy New Year’s!

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    • EdtheUmp

      December 29, 2017

      This signing assures McMahon the opportunity to “grab it and go” this spring as far as the 1B position goes. Having Desi and Parra as fallbacks bodes well for the Rox on offense in ’18.The BP is gonna be. potentially, the best we’ve ever had. As is always the case: SP’ing will determine our fate as ’18 progresses. Hang on to your hat!! Good times may be just around the corner.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      December 29, 2017

      Free McMahon and roll with this lineup. If he has a Cody Bellinger like impact on the team, the Rockies can be leading story nightly on MLBN.

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    • sdcarp

      December 29, 2017

      I’m a fan of building a great Pen. IMO what has happened is that we’ve made a number of incremental gains:

      Bryan Shaw replaces Neshek (and we have him for a full season in lieu is Neshek’s partial season). I think Shaw is a little better than Neshek. Incremental gain #1.
      McGee replaces McGee – Push.
      Davis replaces Holland – They’re close, but I like Davis a little better. Incremental game #2.
      Dunn is back, and is Dunn. Push.
      Rusin is back and is the team’s unsung hero. I think he still has an upward trajectory. By the end of last season, his quick pitch was deadly. Incremental gain #3.
      Perhaps I’m in the minority – but I think Oberg is on the verge of being very solid. Incremental gain #4
      Senzatella – I like him in the Pen. I think Bud likes him as a SP. Bud has more say so than I! (as it should be).
      Estevez/Otto – Both of these guys really struggled last year. Presumably one (or someone else) will be better. Incremental gain #5.

      So by my count, I have 5 incremental gains, 2 pushes, and an unknown in Senzatella’s case. Keep in mind, the Pen was really solid last season. Better than average. I see us being even (somewhat) better this season.

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      • rockymountainhigh

        December 29, 2017

        We also have to say good riddance of Qualls and Motte. It’s more than incremental gain to start the year without bad drag factors. Jairo Diaz is an incremental gain as well now that he’s another year further away from TJ.

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    • sdcarp

      December 29, 2017

      Regarding budget;

      There are several sharp guys on Purple Row that estimate that we have about 9M remaining to work with for 2018 (this number accounts for arbitration gains). It’s my understanding this 9M number is based on last year’s payroll + modest increase. I think we may have a bit more…..perhaps 15M remaining for 2018.

      So I think we still have payroll capacity for a solid offensive addition….either via free agency or picking salary via trade. We’re not done yet.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      December 29, 2017

      Not hot stove related, but my off season duty to turn in my ballot for Purp30 prospect list. Here it is as follows:

      My PR 40 list
      1. Brendan Rodgers – there’s him and everyone else.
      2. Riley Pint – value pitcher more than position player giving him nod over McMahon
      3. Ryan McMahon – show time at 1B this year; wouldn’t it be great if he has a Cody Bellinger-like impact?
      4. Ryan Castellani
      5. Colton Welker – the next stud if he continues on upward plane
      6. Ryan Vilade – has a chip on his shoulder after being bypassed by several teams in 1st round which is great for Rockies
      7. Tom Murphy – time to hit your ceiling otherwise you’re not on this list
      8. Yency Almonte
      9. Peter Lambert – Steady Eddie type of pitcher perfect for back of rotation
      10. Dan Montano – moving up the ranks, time to come stateside; great catch Rolando Fernandez
      11. Sam Howard
      12. Garrett Hampson
      13. Forrest Wall
      14. Tyler Nevin – come on, let’s go and start showing off MLB skills
      15. Mike Tauchman – he’s on the list cuz he has shown he’s ready to be MLB backup outfielder
      16. Sam Hilliard
      17. Will Gaddis
      18. Ben Bowden – SP or RP? If SP, he’s ranked a notch or two higher
      19. Breiling Eusebio – like Dan Montano, another good looking international prospect
      20. Robert Tyler
      21. Yonathon Daza – Rockies must see something in him to put him on 40-man
      22. Noel Cuevas – similar to Daza
      23. Tommy Doyle
      24. Mike Nikorak – 1st round draft pick pedigree
      25. Jairo Diaz – harness your FB and you’d make the bullpen more stellar
      26. James Farris
      27. Jesus Tinoco – Rockies must still think highly of him to protect him from Rule 5 draft
      28. Chad Spanberger
      29. Justin Lawrence – MLB.com has him ranked #27; has a great sinker that induces plenty of grounders
      30. Jack Wynkoop – I’m obsessed with his sub 1 BB/9 walk rate, perfect for Coors; BBs drive me batty

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    • sdcarp

      December 29, 2017

      What would a trade for Christian Yelich look like?

      One could say David Dahl “could” become the next Christian Yelich. Both can run. Both bat LHed. Very similar profiles. Of course Yelich has done it…….Dahl hasn’t (except for a short duration in 16). Yelich has a very reasonable contract through 2021. Because of Yelich’s pedigree, accomplishments, age, and contract…..the Marlins will want a lot (rightfully so). Offering Dahl back in a deal as one piece should make sense to the Marlins. They get a similar player (in the best case (for them) scenario), three years younger, and save some $$$. But the Marlins will want much more. Riley Pint? He’s a long way from the Majors. He doesn’t fit the Rockies contention window…..he does fit the Marlins long nuclear rebuild. Call me crazy….but I’d do Dahl/Pint for Yelich for 4 reasons. Reason 1 – he solidifies the OF and offense for 2018. Reason 2 – he gives salary certainty (in a good way) through 2021. Reason 3 – we can play CF if we lose Charlie in 19. Reason 4 – he gives us some speed on the base paths that we so desperately need.

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    • Agbayani

      December 29, 2017

      For anyone who may have been waiting for the inevitable negative comment about the Wade Davis signing …. keep on waiting! I love it. Overpay? No such thing with a top reliever. He gets a little less than Melancon last winter, and I like him a whole lot more. He’s still a big time strikeout pitcher; Melancon never was. No red flags here other than age. Velocity and component stats were fine last year; walk rate a little uncharacteristically high, but not like Ottovino or Holland style wildness. A much, much, much better risk than Holland, who put together a fantastic first half through pitching savvy, guts, and a change of leagues. Davis may not last 3 years, but you can say that about any pitcher in his 30s. I’m a big fan of guys with swing and miss stuff for the late innings, and that’s still Wade Davis. Could this be our biggest free agent acquisition since … Mike Hampton? (Did I really have to bring that up?) Happy New Year, RWO contributors!

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    • EdtheUmp

      December 30, 2017

      Fellas and gals…
      MLB Network has opined that the Davis move was a good one for the Rockies…but…they noted the dizzying decrease in FB velocity from Davis the last three years. I am going to summarize the data as I did not take notes or DVR the data. Number of 4-seam FB’s thrown: 2015…600+ at 97 MPH +, 2016…120+ at 95 MPH +, 2017…8 at 93 MPH +. The pundits were very concerned with the drop in velocity. VERY!
      In a 3-word response, so am I!!
      This appears to me to be a HUGE red flag. Spring Training will reveal alot.
      Stay tuned.

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    • sdcarp

      December 30, 2017

      EdtheUmp and BobK notes:

      Ed – Davis’s velocity drop has been pretty well documented for a while now. I wonder if Steve Foster (Davis’s Coach in KC) sees a mechanical flaw while watching Davis video?

      BobK – I’m seeing Rockies predicted win numbers ranging from 79-83 via some of the early computer projection services. Two comments – First comment, once you get above 81-81, wins get more expensive. Hypothetical – a team like the Reds spends 25M for a SP and goes from 69 wins to 72 wins in the projection systems (I’m making this up). The Rox sign a Closer for 52M and go from maybe 81 wins to 82 wins. I maintain you can’t compare the two……and I think the projection systems falter with this.

      Second comment – until the Rockies get a big bat, I’m 100% in agreement with projections in the 81-83 win range. An impact bat may take us to 85-86…very close to last season. One thing Rockies fans need to remember, lots of things went right in 2017 (no major injuries for everyday players, emergence of multiple young SPers, better than average BP). I’m of the opinion that for us to equal 2017, we’ll have to be better team.

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      • rockymountainhigh

        December 31, 2017

        Screw the projection system; they don’t consider Bud Black and Steve Foster influence adding 5-10 wins to the club. They don’t consider Desmond back in a big way similar to Parra. They also think Rockies rotation will regress, but not going to happen with our pitching coaches at the helm. They’ve finally solved the pitching mystery at altitude.

        SCREW THE PROJECTION SYSTEMS. My early call is 90 wins, 95 if we add Eric Hosmer.

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        • Bob K.

          December 31, 2017

          I recall that Bridich said early on that Hosmer is out of their price range.

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        • sdcarp

          January 1, 2018

          RMH – it seems like every “expert” is a Hosmer naysayer. But I’m with you, I like the guy. Of course, there’s a price ceiling for my Hosmer “like.” 6 years, 120M is way too much. But if that comes down to something like 5 years, 80M (less than 20M AAV), then I’m “all in” on Hosmer. I think some lose sight of the fact he’s only 28. I’ll also say I can see Hosmer being much more comfortable in the Rockies setting than the Boston/Fenway microscope.

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    • sdcarp

      January 1, 2018

      Tweet from Mike Nikorak earlier today:

      Verified account

      @MikeNikorak
      8m8 minutes ago

      Nothing like starting the new year off like throwing with @S_Nikorak at 120 feet today. New year New arm

      By the time we get to 2019 Spring Training, Nikorak will be completely forgotten. But, he (still) has a huge arm. He’s a solid relief pitcher waiting to happen.

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    • Agbayani

      January 2, 2018

      Wade Davis: I stand corrected. The velocity is down from his peak. I forgot to correct for the change in velocity measurements that Carp told us about last year. But … I still like the signing, even though I don’t think the peak velocity is coming back. I’m generally a stats geek, but I have to object to some of the more blustery stats geekery I’ve seen about the Davis signing. Having a guy like Davis (or Holland in the first half last year) changes the game. It makes your team better and the opponent worse. You manage differently. You use your situational relievers differently. Yes, I’m saying there’s an unquantifiable value to having a top shelf closer, which, other than brief moments of Holland and perhaps Huston Street, we’ve never had. It’s not quantifiable, but it’s not something easy to deride like “veteran presence.” If Davis performs as projected, And my seat of the pants projection is better than the purely objective projection. It’s something like this:
      2018: a slight rebound from 2017. One of the top 5 closers again.
      2019: something close to his 2016 Cubs season; still pretty damn good
      2020: less good, but still effective.
      In other words, kind of normal aging as a top reliever gets into his mid-30s.
      Hosmer: I don’t like him at the price. Whether this team makes the next jump from “wild card competitor” to “World Series competitor” depends on what the young pitchers do AND on guys like McMahon, Dahl, Murphy, and ultimately Rodgers do. And at least the first three need to play now (assuming Dahl is finally healthy).

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    • rockymountainhigh

      January 2, 2018

      I am reading Bill James handbook of baseball 2018. Shocking discovery – Eric Hosmer was at the bottom of all fist basemen in the runs saved category with a large negative number.

      Another shocker – Lucroy was among the laggards in runs saved category with a large negative number like Hosmer. No wonder why JB let Lucroy walk and got Ianetta instead. Ianetta was neither a leader nor a laggard in runs saved. Also I believe his durability was a huge factor in bringing him back.

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      • sdcarp

        January 3, 2018

        RMH (and others) – I think the Hosmer conversation is quickly becoming a moot point. Apparently the Padres have made a 7 year, 140M offer, and there may be other teams in that range as well. As noted above, I don’t hate the guy, but that’s (7 years/140M) WAY too much. WAY too much.

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        • Bob K.

          January 3, 2018

          The years are too many but considering the expected annual rate of $30MM for top players makes the $20MM AAV look not so bad.

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    • Doc

      January 5, 2018

      This from ESPN regarding remaining top free agents. Your thoughts?

      Logan Morrison, 1B (11)

      Best bet: Colorado Rockies

      Don’t be surprised: Los Angeles Angels

      Morrison had a huge power breakout at a relatively late stage in his career — and not just because of the rabbit ball. He was one of those players who focused on his launch angle, and as a result, his fly ball rate increased from 32 percent to 43.4 percent. The Rockies need to give Nolan Arenado and Charlie Blackmon some help on offense, and handing first base to untested Ryan McMahon and bad Ian Desmond isn’t going to help.

      Buyer beware: Morrison slugged .564 in the first half before fading to .452 in the second half.

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      • sdcarp

        January 5, 2018

        I like Morrison…..but signing him (he’s LHed) seems to be the death knell for Ryan McMahon as a Rockie. I’m not necessarily opposed to this

          IF


        we get something worthwhile for McMahon.

        It seems to me like you either believe in McMahon and work him in a platoon situation (meaning we need a RHed option at 1B) or you trade him for a 1B you do believe in (Abreu for example). Signing Morrison makes sense. Playing McMahon in a platoon makes sense. What doesn’t make sense is signing Morrison and keeping McMahon.

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    • Doc

      January 6, 2018

      I was disappointed the way BB used (failed to use) McMahon last year–got the impression he didn’t want him around.

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      • sdcarp

        January 6, 2018

        Can’t say that I disagree with you Doc. I’d like to see us embrace McMahon in a lefty/righty 1B platoon for 18 (and maybe beyond).

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      • roxnsox

        January 7, 2018

        I don’t know about Bud not wanting him around (why would he take that position with one of their prized prospects?), but I too was disappointed and wonder why they called him essentially up to pinch-hit, as it turned out. A player can’t show his stuff if he doesn’t play, and carp and others have been tooting McMahon’s horn, so…let’s see him play!

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    • sdcarp

      January 6, 2018

      See my comment above regarding Ryan McMahon. He’s a guy I watched really closely at Spring Training last year. Watched him in games, on the backfields, in the practice cages. I’m convinced he has the physical tools.

      The best way to put him a position to succeed is pair him with a RHed platoon partner. The guy that’s out there that I think could excel in this role is………Todd Frazier. MLB Trade Rumors projects Frazier at 3 years, 33M. He’s 31 years old. Had a WAR of 3.4 in 2017. Hit 27 HRs in 474 ABs. Has shown borderline prolific power in the past. There’s no denying he’s a low BA guy, but carries a remarkably high OBP when considering his BA (last season his BA was 213, yet OBP was a very respectable 344). I think the Rockies have +/- 15M of available payroll remaining. Sure, Mark Reynolds can be had for less (much less). But I feel like we caught lightning in a bottle with Reynolds last season.

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    • Bob in WV

      January 9, 2018

      What is Ryan McMahon’s defensive ability? Will he be the outstanding glove we need at 1B to allow Nolan, Trevor, and DJ to keep making all those defensive gems which obviously wouldn’t be gems without a solid glove on the receiving end? I keep seeing all this analysis on his batting, but with our infielders a great glove at first is critical.

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      • sdcarp

        January 10, 2018

        From Baseball America late in 2017:

        “First likely is McMahon’s best defensive home. He’s playable at second base thanks to his arm strength and body control, but not an asset according to scouts. He’s solid average at third base but a far cry from Arenado’s consistent brilliance. A solid athlete, McMahon has regained confidence, reined in some of his aggressiveness and feasted on mistakes this year while competing consistently against better pitching.”

        To me, “solid average” at 3rd “should” transfer to at least solid average at 1st, if not perhaps a little better.

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    • sdcarp

      January 10, 2018

      Jay Bruce (back) to Mets. Details of deal not known yet.

      EDIT – 3 years, 39M. Seems reasonable in the warped world of baseball economics.

      Gerrit Cole trade to Astros may be close (it was reported as “complete” earlier today, only to be walked back).

      Maybe things are about to break loose.

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    • Bob K.

      January 11, 2018

      Rockies agree to terms with Chris Rusin.

      “The Rockies agreed to a $1,287,500 payday with lefty Chris Rusin, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter). He’ll fall a bit shy of his $1.4MM projection. Rusin, 31, is fresh off of a strong season in which he compiled a 2.65 ERA in 85 frames. He figures to be a key component of the Colorado bullpen again in 2018.”

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      • sdcarp

        January 11, 2018

        “key component!” (I know those aren’t your words Bob).

        Rusin may well be the main cog that holds the BP together. Did you guys and girls notice how effective his quick pitch became as the season progressed? He was getting better, and better, and better at delivering that thing! Hopefully he doesn’t show it once in Spring Training games.

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        • rockymountainhigh

          January 12, 2018

          I loved that quick pitch against Justin Turner. So effective cuz Turner relies on timing of his high high step. He was clearly frustrated as he complained to the umpire every time up.

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          • sdcarp

            January 12, 2018

            I’m shocked more pitchers don’t use it. But then again……most pitchers are struggling to throw strikes,

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    • rockymountainhigh

      January 12, 2018

      Copied/pasted from CBS article:

      The waiiiiiiting may no longer be the hardest part
      Scott Boras has leveraged winter waiting games and cozy relationships with team owners into billions of dollars for his clients. But with teams getting smarter, plus the luxury-tax calibration and other factors in play, one AL exec predicts that the balance of power in negotiations might finally swing in the other direction.

      “Boras’ strategy is finally going to blow up on him,” he said. “Thank goodness for all of us.”

      Bor-ass, kiss my rear end. I really hate him.

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    • sdcarp

      January 14, 2018

      Well, well, well……….looks as though the Hot Stove was switched “on” yesterday.

      Addison Reed to the Twins…..about the same AAV as other no closing RPers this offseason, but only 2 years.

      Astros/Pirates complete Gerit Cole trade. I like what the Pirates got in this trade.

      Mets sign Adrián González (on the heels of signing Jay Bruce).

      Rox still have +/- 15M to work with in my opinion, One comment….the extremely slow developing Hot Stove has allowed the Rox to “cheat” in regards to David Dahl. He should be swinging a bat for going on two weeks now. The organization will have a good idea how that’s going, and that feedback will influence their decisions moving forward.

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      • sdcarp

        January 14, 2018

        One note on the Astros/Pirates trade – while I really like the deal from the Pirates perspective, I’ll say that all 4 players headed their way in the deal were blocked within the Astros organization. So losing those 4 guys won’t negatively impact the Astros, Thats one of many reasons why you can’t simply analyze trades based solely on the players swapped. The Astros made an incremental gain…….but did so with excess baggage (to them only – any other organization would love to have Moran/Musgrove/Feliz). The Rox should take notes here.

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    • sdcarp

      January 24, 2018

      Geez – RMH is correct. Hot Stove is still “off.” Sorry for the false alarm in my 1/14 post above!

      Several intriguing by-products of the cold hot stove.

      First – the Rox have the luxury really getting a good look at David Dahl’s physical condition. I’ve read numerous reports that he’s working out unrestricted now – which means swinging a bat. See my comments two posts above.

      Second – regardless of what Scott Boras says, FA prices will come down. It remains to be seen if the reduction will manifest itself in length of contract, AAV, or both. Seems like there might be some unanticipated pillow contract possibilities.

      Third – the Marlins have truly alienated Christian Yelich. Same is probably true of JT Realmuto, and perhaps even Justin Bour. If we are to believe what we read (I suggest NOT doing this these days), the Marlins asked for Ronald Acuna in a proposed Yelich deal with the Braves, and have asked for Lewis Brinson in a proposed deal with the Brewers. Note that Acuna is the clear #1 Prospect in all of baseball. So, it’s a sure thing they’ll ask for Brendon Rodgers in any proposed deal with the Rockies. This gets into interesting territory. Many (I’ll go so far as to say most) Rockies fans hold Rodgers as an untouchable. I’m not a Scout. Not even close. That said, I watched Rodgers “extensively” (2 days) on the backfields last year at Spring Training. I see a “baller,” meaning (in my terminology) a player that has tremendous baseball IQ. HOWEVER……I also see B+, not A+, physical attributes. What do I mean by that…….he’s fast, but not stupid fast. He’s quick, but not stupid quick. He’s got some power, but not tremendous power. In other words, I think his ceiling is limited by his physical attributes. IMO, he has the ability to be an above average Major League player, but not an elite Major League player. For those reasons…………..if we could swap him for Yelich, I’d pull the trigger.

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      • rockymountainhigh

        January 24, 2018

        I’d say we wait and see how 2018 goes: Is Trevor Story the real deal? (I think he is as he always adjust back at every level). Is Ryan McMahon the real deal? If he can perform even 2/3 of Cody Bellinger talent, we have a replacement at 1B or 2B. Is Brian Mundell finally the answer at 1B? He has climbed up the Purp30 charts and a RH bat. But I’ve always said here’s our next 1B every year starting with Correlle Prime. But the key is hang on to Brendan Rodgers and see how Story goes, then we can dangle Rodgers at trade deadline to add a thunderous bat to our lineup. I’m not worried about DJLM leaving via the free agency as we’ve got either McMahon or Garrett Hampson (or Forrest Wall whom I think doesn’t have a high ceiling). Plenty of options at 2B. Likewise in the OF with Dahl, Tapia, and Desmond under control the next four years.

        That’s why I say hold on to Brendan Rodgers until we can confirm that Story is the real deal. Then Rodgers will be the only bait we need to dangle to get a decent 1B or OF at trade deadline.

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    • sdcarp

      January 25, 2018

      My, my…..the Brewers have been busy today. The NL Wildcard race is is going to be brutal.

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      • rockymountainhigh

        January 25, 2018

        Not worried, the Brewers are like San Diego a few years a ago was a total bust. Their pitching isn’t anywhere near the Rockies. Yelich now playing without Stanton and he’ll be exposed big time.

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