2K15 HOT STOVE: ROCKIES

Started a non-Rox Hot Stove thread last week. Lets create a Rox related Hot Stove thread also.

Loved reading the comments from everyone over the weekend. I think Bob (I believe it was Bob) said it best when he pointed out the old baseball adage that everyone wins 54, loses 54, and it’s how you do in the remaining 54 that makes (or breaks) your season. 12-42 for the mighty Rox. I call that broken.

My thoughts are well documented. Entire Front Office should be blown up and re-started from scratch. I’m leaning towards thinking Weiss isn’t a good major league manager, but a new GM should ultimately make that decision and pick the replacement.

Have at it guys (and girls)!

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jaredean
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Thanks for setting this up SD…you beat me to it by a few hours…I’ve changed it to fall under the “hot stove” category and made this one (and the non-rox) “sticky” – which means they will stay at the top of the Recent Posts on the front of the site…

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Several decisions to be made this off-season; I will throw in ideas but not necessarily meaning that I am 100% behind this idea while keeping an open mind: Matt Belisle – let him walk away into free agency Rafael Betancourt – shall we sign him or let him test his arm elsewhere? LaTroy Hawkins – $2M club option; I say keep him as he’s cheap and gives us depth. Rex Brothers – I bet next month he will announce he… Read more »

IggyRox
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Good takes, RMH… one question, why isn’t anybody in anything I read giving any love to Paulsen? I’d say give him a shot and if he continues what he started this year, you have a really nice prospect in Parker that should fetch at least a #4 SP. I like everything I’ve seen of Paulsen so far more than Parker. Or am I missing something?

EdtheUmp
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as usual, nice job…spot on. a little bit of changed position on roster moves… not to be a name dropper but had lunch yesterday with casey blake, ex-MLB 3b/1b/of and we discussed hitting at coors field… my position was simple…the humidor makes thr hitting virtually the same as other ballparks…the expanse of the outfield makes in imperative that we have quick, fast OFers…a position that i formally did not agree with…i want big boppers, the hell with going and getting… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Culberson in LF?? I think you meant Dickerson. If you are a physics major, you can deduce that Casey Blake is right. The balls may be humidified to get more bite on the breaking balls, but the fact remains that the baseball meets the bat and fly in the thin mile high altitude. The atmosphere has to be humidified in order for the ball to come off the bat the same as at sea level. The only solution is to… Read more »

EdtheUmp
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EdtheUmp

rmh…
doh!!
of course i meant dickerson instead of culbertson…

altho dahl will be the centerfielder in 2016, he will not be ready for MLB pitchers before that …

make sure that rosario is gone before spring training so that he doesn’t infect any of our young catchers in camp…

am i too overconfident that the Rox will get 91 wins in 2015??

hell yes!!!

i’ll be happy with 81!

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

I can hear Bob in WV calling you into his classroom and making you write repeatedly on his chalkboard!

Miketober
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Good stuff RMH.
“Rex Brothers – I bet next month he will announce he has an injury and undergo surgery after hiding it the whole year.”
I gave you 5 stars for that comment.

I like the talk of trading Tulo to the Yanks. If he could stay healthy I wouldn’t even consider it, but he spends so much time on the DL we need to get better value for him.

Julian
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I like Paulsen and could see him making the roster next year as the backup 1B. Parker didn’t really impress as a major leaguer or in CS, so maybe he repeats at AAA. I’m mixed on Cuddyer. I’d be tempted to resign him for the right price. Would he take a contract similar to Morneau’s? I mostly agree with RMH. I’m not sure about signing Anderson. It’s a pretty large gamble on a guy who can’t stay healthy. We need… Read more »

Agbayani
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RMH, I pretty much agree with everything you said. The minor exceptions: – you say keep Stubbs, start him at home and only vs. lefties on the road. I agree. But those home starts against lefties should be in CF with Blackmon sitting. Blackmon turned in a really solid season, but he showed pretty typical platoon splits. Stubbs covers more ground in CF and is a major upgrade at the plate vs. lefties. -Brett Anderson. Sure, bring him back, but… Read more »

Julian
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Julian

Agbayani, what was wrong with Brooks Brown? He had a .277 ERA and held hitters to a .208 average. Paulsen has been in the system for a long time. Do we still control him and have the ability to keep him in AAA, or does he become a minor league free agent? If he becomes a free agent, some other team might pick him up.

Gary
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Gary

Paulsen was great PH off the bench and more than adequate else where-keep him!

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Julian, maybe I was too hard on Brooks Brown only because his name starts with B. He actually was pretty good in limited action — at least he didn’t walk many guys. But a lot of that was a .230 BABIP against … we’ve seen what happens when success is based on totally unsustainable numbers like that. So maybe we bring him back, but he’s the classic 12th man on a 12 man staff.

ProgMatinee
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Ownership: Our management is responsible for the onfield product.
Management: Our ownership meddles in everything.

Combined response of both: No changes necessary.

Julian
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Julian

Ag, you need 12 guys, so there’s nothing wrong with being the 12th guy, particularly if you’re better than whoever was the 12th guy most of the year and you’re “only” getting paid $500,000. It’s the same with starters. If someone is a 5th starter, that’s not terrible as long as they’re a decent 5th starter as 5th starters go, and it’s even better if they too are at a minimum salary.

Julian
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Julian

The MLB Trade Rumors article completely nailed the Rockies’ situation.

Pooter
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It’s going to take a trade of Corey Dickerson to get a good starting pitcher. Do it!

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

Hey, Ed, I have a question for you. One of the playoff games had a game end on wild pitch third strike with the bases loaded. The catcher retrieved the ball and as the batter never ran he was tagged out to end the game. The runner on third was almost to home at the time of the tag. My question is this: Had the runner crossed home plate on the wild pitch before the tag was made, would the… Read more »

EdtheUmp
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EdtheUmp

Bob…you are correct…it is a force play…no run.

Bob in WV
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Bob in WV

Thanks, Ed. I’d never seen that situation quite like it before and it became one of those hypothetical questions I wanted to get answered. Believe me, as an ice hockey ref I know how tricky it can be to work a game. In both of our sports, there are a lot of quirky things we are expected to know how to handle that rarely if ever come up.

Julie G
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I can tell it is the end of a rotten year in Rockieland, lots of good and other ideas about what to do and then the realization that even as much as we all care we are not making the decisions. In fact, although I would have someone on the various boards if I was management, which I am not, that it may not go anywhere and if it does occur it might be serendipity anyway. I hate that some… Read more »

sdcarp
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“I hate that some really good ideas, quite possibly might not have even occurred in the decision maker’s heads.”

Sweet – yet another polite way of saying our Management is a bunch of idiots!

Julie G
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Julie G

It looks like a start with one and two gone.

EdtheUmp
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Just a note and thought/opinion from yours truly… If I/we needed any more of an indication that the Yanks are looking for a SS, note that Brian Cashman, GM of said Yanks, has asked Alex “love me some of them pills and needles” Rodriguez to be open to playing 1B. Hmm, seems he would slide right over to SS in a seamless and non-controversial move since this is a position he knows intimately. Is there an impeding “new” SS being… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

The mountains will have to be moved before Tulo is dealt to the Yankees. Also cargo will be dealt, not Tulo cuz we have too many OFs, and there’s no shortstop better than Tulo.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

The DoD / Geivett celebration thread has really morphed into a Rox Hot Stove conversation – so I’m going to (attempt) move it here. Ag astutely pointed out that it’s much less expensive to move from awful to average than from average to ++. He points out that DJ ranked 28th in MLB in 2K14 and making a move to get to mid-pack here, and in a couple of SP positions, is more prudent than trying to improve our mid-pack… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

BTW – I still need therapy to help trying to overcome my anger brought on by not trading Tulo last offseason. Tulo to the Red Sox for Mookie Betts and we wouldn’t be having this 2nd base conversation and have 15M+ to spend on SS and SPers. Sorry…..I digress.

Julian
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Julian

Anybody watching the Arizona Fall League? It seems that Aquino and Casteel are doing OK there so far. We don’t have a stellar group of players there. Lots of teams have their top prospects there.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

“We don’t have a stellar group of players” in the AFL … no kidding! I just took a look, and there’s a bunch of guys I’ve never heard of plus (get this) Chris O’Dowd. Really. Aquino was pretty highly thought of but had a bad year, so I hope he can restore some value. Trevor Story is the only real prospect position player, so I’ll be tracking him a bit. But this is a really, really weak crop of players,… Read more »

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A good article regarding Rex Brothers and his mental condition on the Rockies website. He talks about his season and how he is trying to put it behind him. WW says that come 2015 he will be an elite reliever…I’ll believe that when I see it. It’s not as easy as it sounds. Hope I am total wrong on this but I’m going with the Donnie Moore syndrome here(and in 2015)altho I don’t think(and hope)Rex will end up like the… Read more »

Ike
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Really enjoyed Patrick Saunders article today comparing the Royals rebuild to the Rockies job ahead. Irony was pervasive even as I was typing that sentence. Anybody else ever think the past few years “at least we’re not them”? I digress. The Rockies MUST build a badass bullpen. It is the number one priority in my mind. So many folks want to focus on building a staff of Cy Young pitchers. It ain’t gonna happen. Diminishing returns in my mind. They… Read more »

Bob K.
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Bob K.
sdcarp
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sdcarp

The Bridman with the hatchet! Pitching coaches chopped.

Hey Brid – the Rangers have Mike Maddux dangling at the moment. Make your first big move.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

So the Royals ARE in fact the reincarnation of the 2007 Rockies. Very steady but completely non-dominating ace? Check (Shields/Francis). Flame-throwing kid starter? Check (Ventura/Ubaldo). Veteran innings eater? Check (Guthrie/Cook). Speedy defense-and-steals centerfielder? Check (Choose a Royals outfielder/Taveras). Strong bullpen stocked with hard throwers? Check (Royals Big 3/Corpas, Affeldt, Hawkins, remember Jorge Julio? And Fuentes and Buchholz too). No, the Royals don’t have the power hitter like Holliday, and no, the Rockies didn’t have speed on the basepaths like the… Read more »

jaredean
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jaredean

Sorry, i had comments close on posts older than 30 days so these Hot Stove pages quit allowing new comments…i changed that to 120 days so we can keep it going until Spring rolls around!

jaredean
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jaredean

Looks like Hawkins is staying, McBride is going…discuss…

Bob K.
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Bob K.

McBride only went as far as the Albuquerque Isotopes.

http://rockiesroster.com/

Minor league players released include Alex Rodriguez and Mike Piazza.

Julie G
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Julie G

Even if Hawkins is doing setup he is good guy to have around. I had figured he would probably stay. I am hoping Raffie gets a shot too.

Bob K.
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Bob K.
rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

That would be perfect if we declined the option and resign him to a lesser contact or use the money to sign Jason Hammel.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

sdcarp, I saw that mlbtraderumors free agent thing. True, the Rockies are not considered the leading suitor for any of the 50 top free agents. Here’s the kicker: the site lists 2, 3 or more possible destinations for each player, and the Rockies are never mentioned. At all. Now I don’t know if the authors of that site have any good sources or insight. It looks like they just link to other sources out there. Maybe we are in the… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Hey sdcarp, what’s on your radar regarding Cuddy? Are the Seattle rumors true?

I’m still sick over Maddon leaving the Rays.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

The Rockies have made a qualifying offer to Cuddyer. It is possible that he could be the first to accept a qualifying offer.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/rockies-extend-qualifying-offer-to-michael-cuddyer.html

Agbayani
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Agbayani

OK, I tried to come up with a sensible reason for making a qualifying offer to Cuddy. I’m stumped. So right now I’m stuck on this (and it doesn’t bode well for our future under new guy Bridich): the Monforts said we like Cuddy, bring him back. Cuddy can’t decline the offer. No one will give up a first round pick for him. That’s what happened to Steven Drew and Kendrys Morales last year. You can’t sign these guys until… Read more »

Bob K.
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To me Nelson Gonzalez looked very good tonight. The RHP threw 3 perfect innings against the Mesa Solar Sox facing 9 batters and striking out 3. He used a total of 30 pitches, 23 of which were strikes in his 3 innings of work. The game was televised on MLB network TV. He has a 1.54 ERA so far.

Ken Roberts pitched 1 scoreless inning keeping his 0.00 ERA intact but did have to work through trouble.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Carp, that’s interesting. Dave Cameron has kind of hit on the same thing I was thinking– making the qualifying offer to Cuddy only makes sense (and I use “makes sense” broadly here) if you’re going to clear other big salaries. And for us that means Tulo, Cargo, and DLR, with DLR off the table since we literally have zero established starters without him. What Cameron doesn’t really say is that Cuddy would stay based on the curious Rockies Way of… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

carp, I took a closer look at Betts’ numbers. You know what? Kid’s pretty damn good. He’d be our best second baseman since … ever. I would’ve said “limited ceiling” about Pedroia about a dozen years ago too just based on him being undersized. You still should get more for Tulo than Betts alone, assuming he’s healthy. That’s what makes an offseason trade tough (I guess that’s what would’ve made a midseason trade tough too; he is Tulo, he is… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Interesting, carp. I just checked the AFL stats. Our own Trevor Story started slow (he’s making a habit of that), but overall has pretty much held his own. You’d love to see him really dominate at some level some time — he’s still young, maybe it’ll happen in AA New Britain this year? As for Greg Bird: looks like he just has prodigious power. Would be fun to see how that plays at Coors. And I see he’s a Colorado… Read more »

sdcarp
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Two Hot Stove related things to watch this week; Thing 1 – decisions on qualifying offers must be made by end-of-day tomorrow (11/10). There’s never been a “yes,” but that will likely change this year. Thing 2 – GM meetings in Phoenix. This used to be a non-event in relation to the Hot Stove. But the last couple of years (especially last year), deals came earlier. Don’t expect a trade to come from these meetings – but the groundwork will… Read more »

Pooter
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Pooter

Rays working on a deal to trade Hellickson to an “unknown” NL team according the MLB trade rumors. How much you wanna bet that unkown team is the Rox?

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Not saying it is the Rockies but the Rockies do have a history of working with the Rays. The Rockies are also the first team that I thought of when I saw that article.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Is twitter correct? Cuddy signed with the Mets? a 2 yr deal?

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Ok confirmed by ESPN and the Mets fans are already weighing in … LOL

roxnsox
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Sorry to see Cuddy go – one of my alltime faves – but does open more possibilities. And suggests that (as someone said here, I think) Bridich had some machinations in mind by making that offer. Wouldn’t it be great to have a GM with the smarts AND the authority to fully *do* his job? I hope this also means that Morneau stays.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Hoorah for Bridich! We get 15th pick in first round for a guy that was going to walk in free agency.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Yes the Mets do lose their first round pick but under the new rules that pick does not go directly to the Rockies. “What is the compensation when a player signs elsewhere? Teams that sign free agents who turned down qualifying offers must then forfeit their first available pick in the next MLB draft. The forfeited picks don’t go to other MLB teams; rather, the rounds just become condensed. The player’s former team obtains one compensatory selection at the end… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

The Mets also said 2B Daniel Murphy is available via trade. They will also look for shortstop. How about Josh Rutledge for Murphy?

Bob K.
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Bob K.

They are discussing a Troy Tulowitski trade with the Rockies.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/mets-rockies-discussing-troy-tulowitzki.html

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Sorry about that its Tulowitzki.

Doctor_Christopher
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Great posts all. Sorry I havent commented til now. Here is what I think will happen: 1) Tulo isn’t going anywhere – they will ask for the moon and the teams that can afford the salary dont have the prospects the Rox must have to sell this to the fans. Cannot be a straight salary dump because they made the deal that is his contract believing they could afford him. Salary dump now is not sellable. 2) CarGo may go… Read more »

roxnsox
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roxnsox

Re: catcher – Is Evan Gattis any good? Braves are shopping him.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Rockies trade RHP Rob Scahill to Pirates for RHP Shane Carle.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/rockies-pirates-swap-right-handers-scahill-carle.html

roxnsox
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roxnsox

Not strictly Hot Stove, but have you caught D O’D in his new job (guest spot?) on MLB Network? (MLB Now) Imagine my surprise, and my snigger as he mentioned how he would “undo” his trade of Hammel for Guthrie (among others, I believe he mentioned).

roxnsox
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roxnsox

I mean he said something like that was “one of” the trades he’d undo. Would love to hear the whole, private-in-his-head list…

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

DOD probably ran out of GM “energy”, that I can agree on. It’s the GM unless you are an all time great, GMs probably burn out after about five years. Our new GM so far seems to be working independent of Montfart which is good news for the Rox fans. The MLB.com article talked about Ben Paulsen and how he is working hard to hopefully be with the team wire to wire. Could be a writing on the wall that… Read more »

Bob K.
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Rockies to host Twitter Chat on Friday 11/21/2014 at 1:00 PM MST.

http://m.rockies.mlb.com/news/article/101903676/rockies-brass-to-host-twitter-chat-on-friday

sdcarp
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sdcarp

SWEET – thanks for the link Bob K – questions submitted!

sdcarp
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sdcarp

I continue to maintain the Mets and Rockies are a match. Here are the Mets top 5 Prospects according to Marc Hulet at Fangraphs (with some of Marrc’s comments in quotations): The Top 5 1. Noah Syndergaard, RHP: “He has the stuff and the build to be a top-shelf starter for years to come.” 2. Kevin Plawecki, C: “has done nothing but swing the bat as a professional and reached Triple-A in just his second full pro season. He’s also… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

The Rockies have designated Juan Nicasio for assignment.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

I was wondering who was going to get the axe since they added Tyler Anderson to an already apparently full 40 man roster.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Any thoughts on the Rockies interest in Kevin Correia?

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Only bad thoughts Mike.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

HA!

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Here is a snipit that I thought worth sharing on Tulo and trades “over the past two weeks, the Rockies have given the impression that Tulowitzki is simply unavailable.”

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Yasmany Tomas to the Snakes.

I will not be one bit surprised if Max Scherzer ends up in San Francisco – Chase Headley as well. NL West is a bit of an arms race at the moment.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

meanwhile … back at the ranch … the Rockies are showing interest in Kevin Correia.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Part of the reason for my “arms race” claim is the freakin’ Padres – normally a reliable partner in futility – were in on KFP in a big way (some say their offer was bigger than Boston’s) and Tomas as well. In the past half-dozen years I haven’t worried much about moves made by the Snakes – because they’ve generally made some dumb ones (that may change with the LaRussa presence). But the Padres awakening from the dead and throwing… Read more »

Bill
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Gotta start helping my wife clean the house for the invasion of the grandkids in a few minutes but SDCarp you have a point. The problem with the Rockies has been and always will be the ownership. Most other owners make it a priority to win. The Monfarts are more interested in making money every year neglecting the fact that the value of their franchise goes up every year. Until they change their mind set or they sell the team… Read more »

Bill
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I’ve been very busy the past month or so and this is the first day in a long, long time that I’ve even visited RWO. Hopefully in a couple of weeks things will settle down and I can contribute two ways: by posting and by some dollars going to the website. I was away so long I made some comments a half-hour ago but the site wouldn’t let me submit it. I’ve been out of town and out of touch… Read more »

sdcarp
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Bill – the Dodgers haven’t done anything of note yet regarding players – BUT – they have totally revamped their front office with some scary smart dudes. Andrew Friedman (Rays GM), Farman Zaidi (Billy Beanes right hand man in Oakland) and Josh Byrnes.

These guys have made a living putting together great teams on shoestring budgets. Now they have deep pockets. Our only hope is that all the money somehow confuses them!

sdcarp
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I’ve mentioned numerous times Oakland is my favorite AL team…..and I follow several of their beat writers on Twitter. Quite a bit of buzz today that they’re close to trading the Shark (Jeff Smardzija) for a package that includes several offensive players.

Boston makes sense. Atlanta in a weird sort of way (you take Justin Upton and we’ll pay you to take BJ Upton). We’ll know soon enough.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Wow – Josh Donaldson traded.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Shocked the crap out of me

Agbayani
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The A’s: the frenetic activity continues. Signing Billy Butler tells me that this isn’t about punting on the 2015 season. Instead I think we’re going to get a flurry of additional moves. At this point if I’m an A’s fan I’d have to say enough may be enough. Beane is acting like a fantasy baseball owner constantly turning over the roster in search of an extra point here or there. Which is not to say that the A’s polar opposite,… Read more »

sdcarp
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I like the fact that no A is untouchable. But I agree…..sometimes it seems like there is one move too many.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Ag, it would truly be a shock if Tulo gets traded based on the multiple sources on twitter a few days ago. Allegedly as of about 2 weeks ago Tulo is not available.

I also agree with you that, at least for me, it seems to be we are heading down the road of “we know we have the talent, we just need to stay healthy”

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Anyone read Tracy Ringolsby’s mailbag over the weekend? He had some comments on Tulo. “I would say a return on Tulowitzki would be limited if the Rockies are looking for payroll relief. If they are willing to eat salary, however, a team will be more willing to give up quality to take a gamble. He turned 30 in October, and has averaged 88 games the last three years. He has not played in 150 games since 2009 and has done… Read more »

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Rosenthal says Rockies trying to trade Wilin Rosario.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/rockies-working-to-trade-wilin-rosario.html

Gary
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Gary

Matt Belisle a Cardinal.One year-3.5 million.He always took the ball and the blame when due,great teammate by all accounts,yeoman duty,BUT was time to go.I wish him well.