Are 100 Losses Possible? Rox at Braves

When Tulo was traded a month ago, we knew things might get bad…for a while. As bad as this team’s rotation (and bullpen) have been (are), the offense on this current team…stinks.

 

If it were not for Cargo then 100 losses would be in the bag. But…he has been a one man wrecking crew for a while, and seemingly the only offense they can count on night-to-night (guess who is hut now…at least for tonight). All the talk of trading CarGo and getting some more pitching for him makes sense…until you remember that the offense, especially since Tulo left, has been hideous. Both at home and the road if we are honest. If the team has any chance of competing in 2016 (and I don’t get the feeling that the Monforts are thinking 3-5 year plans so why not focus on next year), it will need offense…and CarGo may have to be at Coors to have that be possible.

 

But right now…the Rox simply are not very good…even when playing a very bad Braves team. I won’t say they are unwatchable, because seeing whether DJ can stay above .300 all year and what that might mean for the team, because we want to see if Kyle Parker and Ben Paulsen can be important parts of the future Rockies. Because we want to see what Nolan can do to keep improving. In other words, its about the kids now.

 

And given that…we know they are not unwatchable. But it simply isn’t great baseball right now. Might the Rox end up being so bad they get the overall #1 pick? Something else to watch.

 

Tonight the Rox once again step in against the Braves in Atlanta, a place where the Rox simply have not played good baseball at most parts of their existence. But tonight we get to see another important kid…to go along with John Gray. Chad Bettis, who before getting hurt earlier this year was showing signs of being a potential #2 starter for this team, after being assumed to be a bust coming into this year. Ideally you want 9-10 good young pitchers from the High A to AAA level to keep building towards the future, knowing some will get hurt and some will fail. Bettis had started to look like a real keeper. The rest of the year will be about seeing if he is…along with a few others.

 

The Braves throw Mike Foltynewicz tonight, whose 6+ ERA might…key word might…might allow the Rox to finally break out…we can hope at least. I want 98 losses and the overall #1 pick. If we have to endure bad baseball you don’t want it to be epically bad and you don’t want to end up with the #2 pick overall. So…Go Rox…but just enough

 

Rox Position Braves Position
Reyes SS Markakis RF
DJ 2B Swisher LF
Blackmon CF Freeman 1B
Arenado 3B Pierzynski C
Paulsen 1B Garvcia 3B
Hundley C Peterson 2B
McBride RF Simmons SS
Parker LF Bourn CF
Bettis P Foltynewicz P

 

 

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Nice work by Bettis, new-guy Diaz, Friedrich and Axford. I say sit Kahnle the Destroyer now and bring up anyone from AAA to replace him. For once Walt got lucky leaving the starter in too long. Perhaps he didn’t trust anybody for that extra couple of outs?

Anybody thinking that Parker or McBride are solutions to any problems? Look like a couple more AAAA guys….

Julian
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I think that it’s too soon to give up on Parker and McBride. Think how bad CarGo was at the beginning of the season and how good he’s been in the second half of the season. Let Parker and McBride get their at bats in this lost season, and let’s see what we have with them.

Bob in Indy
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Bob in Indy

Julian, I agree. I remember how bad Mike Schmidt was his rookie year, but Danny Ozark told him he was the third baseman regardless. He struggled mightily that year, but the rest is history. I’m not suggesting that Parker or McBride are of Schmidt’s caliber, but just as the Phils were playing out a miserable season that year, so are the Rox and this is the perfect time to show confidence in them and let them play regularly for a… Read more »

Bob in Indy
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Bob in Indy

Anyone know who’s slated to pitch on Friday? I’m thinking about going to the game but have mixed emotions. I”ll want the Rox to win but I’d sure like to see the Bucs catch the Cardinals too.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Good question Bob. I would think tentatively it will be De la Rosa.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Agreed, I don’t think they are giving up on Parker any time soon. McBride might be another story.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

Did you guys read this? “Nick Hundley has been solid with the bat in his first season in Denver, but he also ranks as the worst pitch-framer in all of baseball, per StatCorner.com and second-worst per Baseball Prospectus.”

full story: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

JulieG
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JulieG

Well, he certainly isn’t the worst of any catcher we have had in the last 3 years or so.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Ag has been on top of this from day 1.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

I wonder if they read Ag’s stuff and used it? :>) Doesn’t sound like they are all that in on Gray either.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

FWIW – I’ve never been “all-in” with Gray as a SP either. I agree with their assessment. We can hope he develops to a solid #3 by typical MLB standards (which will likely make him our #1). He could be a dominant Closer. Please don’t take my opinion the wrong way. We sorely need a solid #3 and/or a dominant Closer. I’m not minimizing Gray. He’s fundamentally important to the Rockies. For years now we’ve simply been interchanging lots and… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

And I am mostly on the same page as you. I have believed this since way back when I didn’t get on the Friedrich bandwagon. WV Bob had a great post on the organization culture. It definitely needs to change. The question I have is who in the organization is going to bring the pitchers along? Am I missing someone in the farm system that has the ability to help these guys along? Or is it we have scouts that… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Oh boy – on the heels of the Pitch Whisperer revelation (to everyone except those that frequent this site)……we’ve DJ batting 4th tonight. Ag may go into full meltdown mode.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Full meltdown time!!!! I expect 2 HRs and 5 RBIs from DJ tonight. *sneers*

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

Twice runner on 3B and no outs or 1 out, result was K, K, K, GIDP. That means shutout or one run at most tonight.

The Braves, one time man on 3B with less than 2 outs, 1 run.

Rockies season in microcosm.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Huntley: hah! Leave it to the Rockies to go looking for a master handler of pitchers and to wind up with the opposite. (I know, I know, pitch framing and “calling a good game” are not the same thing, but if Hundley is an expert at the latter you’d never know it by the results our pitchers are getting).

DJ batting cleanup. Trying to express thoughts. Dread. Laughter? Twitch, twitch …

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Ahhhh – I just had an Inspector Clouseau and Dreyfus flashback. Good stuff.

EdtheUmp
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On the pitching (or lack thereof) for the Rox…Skip Carey on the Braves feed last night posited that since the Rockies have tried EVERYTHING in the way of different skill (did I just type skill??) pitchers, we should just get all of the 95-98 MPH hurlers we can and go with that. He said nothing has worked so why not change gears? I am in total agreement on his opinion. We see what can happen with Kahnle-type “96ers” but he… Read more »

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BTW, Gray as a closer is also a viable option.

We here are all aware that an effective closer MUST have the correct frame of mind. He must be a bulldog and fearless. Axford was just that when he was an elite closer for the Brewers…sadly that is in his (and our) past.

It is easier-said-than-done but finding someone in the organization that fills that personality (and talent) will be worth “scouring” our pitching rosters, top to bottom.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

You’re speaking of bullpen right? I don’t if there’s any SP that can average 95 plus over 6 or 7 innings.

Don’t forget Huston Street and Brian Fuentes. They weren’t flame throwers and they were successful. All about limiting BBs and staying away from the barrels.

EdtheUmp
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EdtheUmp

RMH…relief pitchers is what I was referring to.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Lots of discussion here about pitchers. Starters, closers, skill sets, flame throwers, etc. Skip Carey’s name even thrown out. The big picture, 30,000 ft elevation perspective is that Rockies have never (in their entire history) truly invested in the volume of pitching talent that a club that plays at 5280 needs. We need 30 minimum legit pitching prospects in the organization at any given time. When that happens, starters vs closers will work themselves out. Injuries can be overcome. It… Read more »

Jeem
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Jeem

CHIP Caray, everybody! Skip is dead, God rest his soul.

EdtheUmp
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EdtheUmp

My age has just been put on full display for all to read!

Jeem
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Jeem

Loved Skip Caray, man. Best play-by-play guy ever (here come the arguments).

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Sorry about that.

Being from the south….I grew up watching the Braves (because it was either them or the Cubs – the only shows on TV). I remember the really bad Braves (before Glavine/Smoltz/Maddux and the famous Fred McGriff trade). So I remember Skip…..and you’re correct, great announcer. At some point (toward the end of the Glavine/Smoltz/Maddux run) Don Sutton joined that broadcast team. He made them even better.

Jeem
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Jeem

No worries. Yes, Sutton was a good addition. It was a good team: Skip, Pete Van Wieren, Sutton + Joe Simpson, who is dry, but also very good.

Hopefully you will see some of Skip’s sarcasm + sense of humor in my writing.

BTW I suffered with those 1980s Braves for 9 years. Got to experience the ’93 resurgence before moving back here. “Now this…”

RocketMan
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RocketMan

A Flande Flambe in the sixth. Pitches headed into the stands spewing flames and trailing smoke….

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Jon Hart tag teamed with John Schuerholz. That’s not fair.

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

I liked your response to the ATL fans. I think some also forget that Brett Anderson was a Rockie.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Virtually all fans wear rose tinted glasses. I get that.

Ironically – I think Cargo is a fit for the Braves, and vica versa. I expect the Braves, White Sox, and Indians (plus the obvious names) to be Cargo suitors.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Quick look at the standings around baseball: Royals are in command of the AL Central. Houston is trying to take control of the AL West. Toronto has inched ahead of the Yanks in the AL East. The Yankees are (somewhat) solid with one WC spot. The second WC spot is a free-for-all between Minnesota, Texas, LAA, Baltimore, and TB. St Louis is in charge of the NL Central. Pittsburgh and Chicago are in charge of the WC spots out of… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

And speaking of the standings. The Rockies and Phillies were just credited for the Mets current standing on MLBtv. Mets own the Rockies and Phillies while the Nats do not. The Nats are a hard team to figure out and I have to agree. The rumors about Matt Williams are probably true. He will be the one that pays the price.

Agbayani
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Talk about planets aligning … the Twins? Where’d that come from? And here’s the thing with that: nobody on the Twins is having a career season, or even an unexpectedly excellent season (see Phil Hughes, 2014 edition). And some things went really wrong like Joe Mauer playing like an old man (until the last couple weeks) and Ervin Santana getting a PED suspension and Byron Buxton starting very slow. If the season ended right now they’d have the second wild… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Byron Buxton. Miguel Sano. Eddie Rosario.

The Twins Farm wasn’t rated as high as the Rockies…..but……in Buxton and Sano they have two of the best five Prospects in the last five years. In my opinion, Farm Systems should be rated by the number of “difference makers,” not overall depth.

The explosion of Brian Dozier, and a rock solid Glen Perkins hasn’t hurt.

Agbayani
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Drew Stubbs signed to a minor league contract by the Rangers. I guess his trade value was zero. But let me ask this: why DFA him at this point? Or why DFA Betancourt? You usually do this when some kid is pounding down the door looking for playing time. Maybe I missed it … Where’s that kid (or kids?). Stubbs got DFA’d so … Barnes could play? Betty wasn’t allowed a graceful exit with some kind of minor ceremony so… Read more »

Julian
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Agbayani, were the Rockies hopeful of being able to trade Stubbs or Betancourt? DFAing Stubbs provides at bats for Parker and McBride, which is a positive. Betancourt being DFAd provides innings to the two guys called up a few days ago from AAA. Perhaps the Rockies were being nice to these guys and providing them the opportunity to hook up with a playoff contender in August and have the chance to be on a playoff roster. I’m sure that I’ll… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

No, Julian, I don’t think they were hopeful of getting anything for Stubbs and Betancourt. Betancourt said he’s going home to Orlando; maybe someone will call, maybe not. And they clearly explored interest in Stubbs before DFAing him … and found none I imagine. I would agree it gives opportunities to Parker, but Barnes is still taking most of those plate appearances, and if there is one outfielder worse than Stubbs, it’s Barnes … on an unrelated point, good catch… Read more »

Julian
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Julian

No hitter through six innings, 69 pitchers, and they took him out. I hope that it’s a pitch count thing, and not an injury issue. He seems to be a pitcher with some potential.

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Took Musgrave out at the start of an inning, so I imagine it’s just a pitch count thing. They certainly do baby pitchers these days … I wonder if he even put up a fight.

Gary
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I hate the pitch count thing.Fiers-131 pitches for no hitter.Verlander 113 pitches for one hitter.Pulling anyone before 100 pitches,if they are throwing well is pussyville.Really have to wonder about the pitcher development here when Colin McHugh is potentially going to win 20 games[I admit I yelled for him to be tar and feathered and run out of town on a rail].Maybe DOD got it right and Rockies culture destroyed his mojo.

Bill
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Bill

DJ batting clean up? Wow! And Weiss said he was looking for the opportunity to do so because then he would have batted in every position in the line up. This is the same WW who has said when other non-traditional ideas were suggested to him to break up a losing string that he respects the game too much. DH batting clean up? Maybe he was really trying to lose but the Rockies keep messing things up by winning a… Read more »

Julian
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Julian

I irritate myself every morning (it’s truly masochism) by reading the boxscores to see how former Rockies are doing. The success of McHugh is really irritating, given that we had him so recently. We clearly missed that one. The other one that is irritating is the success of Franklin for the Royals. He’s playing an important role in the bullpen of the team with the best record in the AL. And yet his performance wasn’t that great for us. Earlier… Read more »

Mike Raysfan
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Mike Raysfan

We do not have the infrastructure to bring pitchers along. If I was an upcoming pitcher this is the last place I would want to come. The irony for me is the many years I saw this with the Rays. VERY similar to what the Rockies are going thru now. In fact, from a fan base perspective it is even similar. Seems like more and more fans from the visiting team are attending. Not until the arrival of Sternberg and… Read more »

Agbayani
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Agbayani

Julian, good points. First, Iannetta – having a poor season following a very good season. That’s hardly unusual, and the Rockies should learn not to base their player evaluations on one season, particularly when it’s a catcher seeing maybe 60% of starts. Did we give up on Nicasio too soon? Depends what the alternative was. We certainly didn’t give him enough of a chance to establish himself as a reliever, then we spent what he would’ve got in arbitration for,… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

The Rockies should have used Nicasio as a reliever.

Our chronic lack of SP talent forces us into bad decisions.

Julian
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Julian

I’ll be adding to my post as I think of other former Rockies that I think we shouldn’t have lost. Pomeranz is a guy who is being productive in the A’s bullpen. Maybe we should have held on to him. We obviously didn’t think enough of Brett Anderson to resign him; if that’s the case, we shouldn’t have traded for him in the first place.

sdcarp
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sdcarp

I think to be fair it should be pointed out this goes both ways (although not so much with pitching). We have a long history of offensive reclamation projects – with Justin Morneau and Michael Cuddyer being two recent shining examples. Definitely fewer on the pitching side. The Rox have done a nice job with JDLR and vica versa. There have been a number of relievers over the years that experienced a resurgence once becoming a Rockie. It’s hard to… Read more »

sdcarp
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sdcarp

Jason Gurka

Career minor league WHIP not bad.