How Did Colorado Get Into This Mess?

Most, if not all, of the RWOers fingers are pointed at the front office specifically Jeff Bridich and Dick Monfort.  It all started according to some at the trade deadline 2018.  Nothing was done to bolster the team for beyond 2018.  Seunghwan Oh was the only one that helped in 2018, but the sabermetrics said that he won’t be any good in 2019.  What happened to trading for a relief pitcher like a Rafael Bettencourt?

Actually maybe we can go farther back to the time Todd Helton retired from playin first base.  They were grasping at the straws to get a new first baseman.  Big fail for years.  Ben Paulsen, nope.  Signing an athlete to play first base (Ian Desmond) which was too expensive to not provide gold glove defense and slugging.  FAIL.  Signed Dan Murphy and moved him to first base, again nope he can’t bail out the gold glovers on the left side of the infield with smallish power.  Take a look at what St. Louis Cardinals did – traded for Paul Goldschmidt!  POWER and GLOVE!!!  Matt Adams was available cheaply as well.  Justin Bour was also available but not a real good option but better glove than Murphy.

How about catchers?  Tony Wolters is a great find but is he really a starting upper tier catcher?  Nah we totally blew off Yasmani Grandal who was available for a long time.  Got to have somebody like a Yorvit Torreallba who was clutch in stretch runs.  Instead they went with Chris Ianetta for two years. UGH.

Outfielders – Charlie Blackmon is a great hitter, but signed him for what five years which was way too long.  And the Rockies stuck him in CF the whooooooollleee season 2018.  He had the worst range by far in the major leagues.  They could have tried to trade him last off season to the AL for a right handed bat and/or pitchers.  Again look at St. Louis – they signed Marcell Ozuna to be their  slugging right handed outfielder.  He would have been way better than Dan Murphy or Charlie Blackmon.

Pitchers – We had glorious opportunity to sign Dallas Kuechel or Craig Kimbrel.. FAIL.  Did not trade for Marcus Stroman when he was dangled in front of JB.

Colorado needs to look in the mirror and fix their shortcomings.  One is getting a real hitting coach who develops hitters like the Dodgers did.  Also, they need to hire sdcarp and Ag to join the front office and be the talent analysts.  As sdcarp, mentioned in another thread, ALL of our division rivals have very good sabermetric teams and acquire them.  And get rid of the big unneeded salaries?  If San Diego can do that from a few years ago, then Colorado can do same.

Ok, time to start giving ideas on how to restructure the Rockies in the comments below!  A few comments were started on the previous post, so sorry I was late to get the new thread started.

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Challenge to RWOers: With the Indians loss last night, the AL playoffs are set. Wednesday (10/2) will be the AL Wildcard game. Rays vs. A’s. My challenge is – watch this game. Tampa has the lowest payroll in MLB (by a wide margin). There was a time in 2018 when the A’s were 2nd lowest (29th). Due to some arbitration numbers, and picking up FA reclamation projects, they’ve crept up to 25th. No two Organizations in baseball do more with… Read more »

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I’ll leave the good ideas and comments to our resident wise ones. I’m not one, and even if I were, my mind is much too boggled. As previously mentioned.

Have any of you had the stomach to even watch lately? For the first time ever, I have skipped it this week. Glancing at the results each morning to see how bad it was… bad. Bad. Bad. It’s expected now. How very sad.

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Unless something strange happens in the next three weeks, this will the first year since my wife and I moved to CO (2008) that we haven’t attended a game. We even attended one the first wins in “the streak” in 2007. To be honest, some of this has to do with I-25 between FoCo and Denver. But, it mostly has to do with the Rockies. My Rockies mood took a turn for the worse at last season’s trade deadline, and… Read more »

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It’s the first year in team existence that I have not attended even one game, and usually go to several. I was out of town on Opening Day: one down. Since then, I’m singing the same tune as you: it has a lot to do with traffic between the mountains of Boulder County and downtown Denver. (But since about a month ago, when the picture became very clear, interest has died altogether when combined with the ordeal and expense of… Read more »

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The Rox 2nd half mega swoon have put us solidly in the top 10 draft pick’s in the 2020 amateur draft. As of today, we’re trending towards picking in the #8 – #10 range. Ironically, there is almost universal agreement among scouts and draftniks that the 2020 draft will be the strongest/deepest since 2011 (meaning the difference between picking #5 vs. #15 vs. #25 probably isn’t a big deal). However……as if there needed to be another reason to sack Bridich… Read more »

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There isn’t much point in having a high draft pick when your resources can’t properly evaluate talent. Last year’s draft of Toglia is a strong case in point. He demonstrated prior to being drafted that he is a poor hitter and proved it when he hit an amazing .248 at short season Boise. The Rockies scouting system fell in love with him as a HS senior and ignored how poorly he hit after that.

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Bob – that’s my point, and the reason I think it’s pointless to sack Bridich if we stay in-house and simply promote someone to take his place. We desperately need to go outside the Organization, and give the hire leeway to build his own Front Office staff (this falls in the category of “you’re dreaming sdcarp, not going to happen).

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sdcarp pipe dream:

Snag some up and coming analytics based prodigy from a progressive organization as new GM, allow him to build a “super” front office/scouting department, and hire Joe Girardi as Manager.

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Toglia: not a bust by any means! The NW League is generally very pitcher friendly. Toglia put up an 852 OPS in his introduction to pro ball with 9 HRs in 145 ABs – basically a 35 HR per full season pace. Right now the power tool is ahead of the hit/place discipline tool, but I’ve got to think Bridich and Co. are happy with his development so far. Some misses are excusable – Riley PInt was a no-brainer with… Read more »

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I believe Bowden didn’t get called up for two reasons. One, he is not on the 40 man roster and two, he got lit up in the Futures game. I believe the Futures game was the biggest deterrent since there had been rumors of a 2nd half call up for him prior to that.

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Bowden – I wasn’t aware of the Futures Game fiasco, but I can say this: any last place team that carries Drew Butera on its 40 man roster has “room” on the 40 man roster.

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The Rockies currently have 5 players on the 60 day IL. There will be DFAs when the season is over and those 5 players have to come off of the 60 day IL. I think they need to find out more about players like Phillip Diehl, Joe Harvey, Wes Parsons, James Pazos and Yency Almonte than they need to learn about Bowden at this stage.

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Bob – We’ve trotted out 29 pitchers this year. 29! (not counting Desmond and Reynolds). We hit 30 in 2015, 29 in 2011. The bad old days are back. Diehl, Harvey, Parsons, Pazos — all replacement level relievers, all basically dumped by their prior teams. I’m not saying that we won’t find a useful bullpen arm there, but the chances are really no greater of doing so than by exposing them to waivers and then filling their spots with similar… Read more »

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It appears that SPs Chi Chi Gonzalez, Jeff Hoffman, Antonio Senzatela and Tyler Anderson will be out of options next year. In RPS, Yency Almonte and Carlos Estevez appear to be out of options next year. Jairo Diaz will be a free agent after this season. Chad Bettis is said to be possible candidate for non tender. The other one is Drew Butera who will also be a free agent after the season. It is possible that there may only… Read more »

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Jairo is a keeper. Not by a wide margin, but he’ll come pretty cheap and he was (astoundingly) our 2nd best reliever this year. Estevez is a clear keeper. Chi Chi could be DFA’d, then re-signed. Bettis: I think it’s over. Butera: a minor league manager-in-waiting. Anderson: probably also has hit the end of the line. So the interesting calls will be Hoffman and Senza. I think Hoffman has shown me enough to come back, but he’s got to be… Read more »

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Anderson will start next year on the IL. I don’t know whether it will be the 10 day IL or the 60 day IL but he will not be ready to go at the start of next year. Estevez would be quickly grabbed up if he was waived. I agree that he is not going anywhere. Chi Chi has shown enough signs of improvement that I doubt he could pass through waivers. Almonte goes out and gets in trouble very… Read more »

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Ag – is Riley Pint now a draft “miss?” And I’m sure glad to see Carlos Estevez finally settling into his talent.

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roxnsox – I’m not quite ready to pull the plug on Riley Pint, but he’s probably only got one year left to put something together. I hate to say it, but he’s going all Tyler Matzek on us. The difference is Matzek had some success before and after his wildness streaks.

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Wade Davis: 8.65 ERA. Holy smokes! Has any pitcher ever stayed on a big league roster for a full year with an 8.65 ERA? And yesterday, he blew up on the road. So … … 5.40 ERA on the road (so much for that “he’s still effective away from Coors” thing) … 13.50 ERA in the second half (so much for that “he’ll pull it together as the season goes on” thing) … 6.12 BB/9 overall (I guess it’s not… Read more »

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And not to flog a dead horse, but check out these ERAs of the guys who are STILL going out there regularly, in September, with expanded rosters, with no minor league help on the way:
– Wade 8.65
– Lambert 7.25
(Freeland 6.98, saved by injury, or fake injury?)
– Senzatela 6.83
– Hoffman 6.71
– Chi Chi 6.23 (and Bob K. can say, quite correctly, that he has been one of the bright lights of this pitching staff lately)
– Shaw 5.45

Bob K
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Perhaps Lambert should move to the bull pen. Lately he has been blowing up in the 4th or 5th inning.

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Rockies Elegy:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2019-was-a-rocky-mountain-low-for-colorado/

Spot on. In fact, I think Dan is being a bit kind.

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One huge problem with this organization is that it does not appear that the same baseball strategy and philosophy is being taught the whole way through the system. Players brought up from the minor leagues need to be taught the same methods and philosophy in the minors as they get in the major leagues. In the case of the Rockies, it looks to me that as soon as a player is brought to the major leagues, he is immediately told… Read more »

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RMH – I’m cutting and pasting this from end of previous story so it doesn’t get lost: Tangential example of how far behind the Rockies are, and what they’re up against: 2019 Amateur Draft: After years of neglect, the Rox have correctly identified (too late) the gaping Organizational hole they have at 1B. In 2018 with their 2nd pick, they took Grant Lavigne. Lavigne showed all sorts of promise @ GJ. I was driving the Lavigne bandwagon. But…….he’s proven very… Read more »

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Don’t judge Lavigne too harshly just yet. He was seriously injured around the start of the season. I am not convinced that he is fully recovered. It isn’t like the Rockies don’t have a history of rushing players back from injuries.

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Duly noted Bob. In fact – I’ve been the driver of the Lavigne bandwagon. I’m picking up what you’re putting down!

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RMH – regarding hitting (and this likely applies to pitching as well) – your comments takes me back to the end of last year when there was much sentiment for a new hitting Coach here at RWO. I wanted a new hitting Coach. I raised my hand. But I cautioned that so many players these days have personal instructors that the impact might not be what it once was. Here’s how it works these days………….there’s an Organization wide “guru,” and… Read more »

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I was never impressed with the hiring of Mark Wiley as the pitching coordinator. This year, I have not been impressed with how Bud Black has managed the pitching staff. I was not impressed with how the Rockies handled the hitting coach situation from the day Black was hired and definitely not how they handled it last off season. Everyone knew that Espy had to go. Why did the Rockies wait until after everyone else had filled their hitting coach… Read more »

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Bob – this is pure gold:

“The whole good ole boy atmosphere that Black uses only serves to maintain the status quo. If they really want to get better, they need to revamp the whole organization.”

You’re 100% correct. Unfortunately, I think this start much higher up than Bud (i.e. the Monforts).

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It is really sad when Desmond was the Rockies most effective pitcher tonight. I am guessing that this was the first home run Desmond has hit as a pitcher.

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Rockies call up Drew Butera and DFA Noel Cuevas to make a 40 man roster spot for him. They also called up Josh Fuentes.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/rockies-select-drew-butera-dfa-noel-cuevas.html

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DFAing Iannetta has certainly turned this pitching staff around! Josh Fuentes was a sleeper prospect last year this time. After an awful repeat of AAA this year, he’s now the guy getting called up as a favor to his cousin Nolan. And Drew Butera: why? Just … why?
Meanwhile, Bryan Shaw and Wade Davis continue to embarrass Bridich every night.

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Fuentes was injured most of the year. Don’t forget Jake McGee in your list of embarrassments. I think right now that you can include all of the relief pitchers as an embarrassment.

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Speaking of strange call ups, both Joe Harvey and Phillip Diehl were called up on Aug. 26 and then optioned back down on Aug. 27 without seeing any game action. At least Rico Garcia (called up Aug. 27) was used to start one game before being sent back down on Aug. 28.

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No one claimed Noel Cuevas. The Rockies outrighted him off of the 40 man roster and sent him to AA. They also called up Phillip Diehl and Joe Harvey again. Maybe they will actually get to pitch in a game this time.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/rockies-outright-noel-cuevas-promote-phillip-diehl-joe-harvey.html

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Cuevas was sent to AAA.

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Jeff Hoffman: getting the strikeouts now, leaving too many pitches up … reminds me of Oberg when he was Gopherg. I still think he’s best suited to the bullpen, but the good news is he’s showing signs of actually being a major leaguer. On the other hand, the offense now … against a lefty, look at how easy it is past Arenado (batting 3rd) – lots of time for the opposing pitcher to put it into cruise control mode: -Desmond… Read more »

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Dahl will not return this year. He is scheduled to be the center fielder next year.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/david-dahl-will-not-return-in-2019.html

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This is smart, and good news too. I’ll be happy to see him in center field, and I’m holding fast to my belief that he is going to be a star for us.

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From MLBTradeRumors: “The Rockies’ troubled pitching situation is examined by The Athletic’s Nick Groke (subscription required), who projects that German Marquez, Kyle Freeland, and Jon Gray will headline the 2020 rotation. The last two spots are up in the air between such names as Peter Lambert, Antonio Senzatela, Jeff Hoffman, Chi Chi Gonzalez, Tim Melville, Rico Garcia, Chris Rusin, and Ryan Castellani. While there’s certainly room for an external addition, the Rockies have now gone several years without signing a… Read more »

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Rockies have 8 prospects in the Arizona Fall League.

Colton Welker 3B
Ryan Castellani RHP
Roberto Ramos 1B
Bret Boswell 3B
Ashton Goudeau RHP
Antonio Santos RHP
Alexander Guillen RHP
Brian Severn C

https://www.mlb.com/rockies/news/rockies-arizona-fall-league-updates