ROX HOT STOVE 2017 – VOLUME I

Ladies and Gentlemen – welcome to the most significant, relevant, and hence exciting Hot Stove season for the Rox in recent memory. Let’s do a quick review:

1. Were coming off a “successful” (based on realistic expectations) season. 75 wins. Up from 68 in 2015. And it’s not a stretch to say if Trevor Story doesn’t suffer a season ending injury, we would have pushed a 500 season (81 wins) even with a miserable bullpen.
2. Young, talented, deep starting pitching.
3. Bonafide stars – Arenado, Story, Blackmon, Grey, Dahl….with DJ not missing by much.
4. A real, experienced, credible Manager – thank you Bud Black.
5. A young, smart, talented GM.
6. Real signs that Montfort is willing to be more “hands off” with day-to-day baseball operations moving forward.
7. Stated willingness to increase payroll.

Do I have your attention?????

What’s ahead?

A. New Bench, Batting, and Base coaches.
B. New CBA. Their are whispers of two items that I believe can potentially benefit the Rockies a tad bit more than other teams – move to 154 games and 26 man rosters. There are also whispers that the CBA may be complete by the end of this month.
C. Need to “fix” the bullpen.
D. Solve 1st base.
E. Continued integration of young players into the mix.

I propose we post all Hot Stove related comments/ideas/links/thoughts here until the thread gets too long, then we can start Volume II if necessary.

I’m interested to hear everyone’s ideas regarding the BP, 1st base, potential coaches, etc. Don’t be shy. 2017 is destined to be exciting!

Here’s a link to the important offseason dates:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2016-17-mlb-offseason-free-agency-winter-meetings-other-important-dates/

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Just a quick comment on Monfort saying payroll will increase. I believe these figures to be true if memory serves. Last year payroll (and I’m rounding) was $112 million. This includes $15 million to Reyes. So actual payroll was $97 million. We owe Reyes $22 million in 2017 so that plus the $97 million means that the payroll ($119 million) will be the highest ever without shelling out $1 over $97 million. I have learned over the years to not… Read more »

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The winner of the Wilson Best Defensive Player of the year at 3rd base is …. Nolan Arenado!

rockymountainhigh
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My ideas: 1) sign Melancon or Brett Cecil. 2) resign Boone Logan. 3) if Matt Holliday can play 1B defensively as well as Mark Reynolds then by all means grab him! I saw on MLBN that Holliday still has the exit velocity among the leaders. So his peripherals are still good. 5) Jairo Diaz start the year in ABQ and work his way back like Zero did last year. 6) make Jason Motte and Chad Qualls retire. 7) sign Arenado… Read more »

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These are the minor league players that are eligible for the Rule 5 Draft. Shane Carle RHP Ryan Carpenter LHP Matt Flemer RHP Sam Moll LHP Jan Vasquez C Tim Smalling IF/OF Michael Tauchman RF Yancy Almonte RHP Alex Balog RHP Shane Broyles RHP Devin Burke RHP Rayan Gonzalez RHP Austin House RHP Zach Jemiola RHP Matt Pierpont RHP Konner Wade RHP Ashley Graeter C/IF Michael Benjamin 3B Zach Osborne SS/IF Correlle Prime 1B Dillon Thomas LF/RF Marc Magliaro RHP… Read more »

rockymountainhigh
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I checked the Rockies roster web and there are six openings (currently 34 on 40-man roster). Let’s assume that there will be at least three acquisitions that will be added. Granted, there’s always a possibility that a player(s) will be removed from the roster to make room for acquisitions. From the above, I think Yency Almonte is a lock. Others who should be considered in my opinion: Sam Moll, Alex Balog, Rayan Gonzalez, Zach Jemiola, and Helmis Rodriguez. I doubt… Read more »

Bob K.
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The Rockies added the following minor leaguers to the 40 man roster.

Yency Almonte
Shane Carle
Rayan Gonzalea
Zach Jemiola
Sam Moll

Bob K.
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Bob K.

That was Rayan Gonzalez.

rockymountainhigh
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I don’t get it. Mike Trout is AL MVP from a losing team. Arenado finishes behind Corey Seager and Kris Bryant? I can accept Dan Murphy beating out Arenado like in the Players Choice awards. Good grief. At least I’m happy for Trout as he’s my favorite player in all of baseball. I invested in a Trout autographed jersey and have it framed in my baseball cave. Onward to HOF for Trout. You go, boy.

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Actually Arenado finished 5th behind Rizzo at 4th. All the discussion indicates that it is the anti Coors field bias where a lot of voters discount any good hitting stats as being caused by Coors field. Can you imagine how many home runs Arenado would hit if he played his home games in the Orioles stadium?

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Looks like Mucs10 was answered in the Denver Post! You, and others, seem very high on Black based on the fact that he was a major-league pitcher and previous manager in the NL West. He had a losing record in San Diego, never took the Padres to the playoffs and blew a 6 1/2 game lead in September 2010. Perfect, he’s just like all the other Rockies managers. My concern is that he was a major league pitcher who could… Read more »

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I saw that. I’m amazed to say the least. Two other times I have been unanswered. Anyway, I thought that was a pretty good answer. However, the answers I received at this site were better and did a better job of convincing me. Not that I really needed convincing. As I have stated it was more of a “Devil’s Advocate” type of thing from my perspective. And yes I had read all of his articles. The RWO folks just did… Read more »

Doc
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Doc

I think this is the year where all the disrespect comes together in a perfect storm of pay back. This year’s team is going to kick some butt.

Bob K.
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The Rockies have brought back Josh Rutledge on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training.

rockymountainhigh
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Cowboy writes that Melancon n Rockies are more than a long shot. Grant Brisbee also says Rockies is a good fit for Encarnacion. I think we will sign Holliday or Reynolds so we can use the money for Melancon and contract extensions.

Doc
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DP report on Melancon. Saunders makes good point of how signing would send positive message to Arenado, etc.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/25/saunders-pros-cons-reality-rockies-signing-mark-melancon/

Doc
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Charlie is one case where I don’t think the Rox have a player they over-value. I worry they won’t get enough.

roxnsox
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If Charlie goes (boooooo), who plays center? Not Parra, please. Is Tapia ready? Is there somebody else I’m not thinking of? Does Dahl move over, and Parra play left? (Again, no thanks)

rockymountainhigh
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David Dahl played CF in the minors full time.

roxnsox
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Yep, I know. So, that brings up left field…..? Parra, I suppose.

rockymountainhigh
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rockymountainhigh

I like this deal with Cubs for Blackmon. That way we have backup plan if we lose the Melancon sweepstakes. You say we will need to p pick up OF…dexter fowler? Sign Holliday to play 1B and 4th OF.

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Below are the two steps that need to be taken for the Rockies to be a playoff team in 2017:

1. Trade for Wade Davis
2. Sign Matt Holiday to play 1st base.

Do it!

Bob K.
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Rockies won’t be signing Matt Holliday since he has an agreement to become a Yankee.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/yankees-close-to-deal-with-matt-holliday.html

Agbayani
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Chris Carter: my stats-oriented mind says “hell no,” but my gut says “why the hell not?” Carp, I think you hit the nail on the head: it all depends on exactly how deficient his work at 1B is. I can see the advanced defensive metrics hate him (16 runs below average on fangraphs), but remember that those numbers are already position adjusted for defensive value — I think Mark Reynolds came in at something like -9) — and as you… Read more »

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Since I don’t think we’ll get Melancon (and I’m not sure it would be a good idea to tie up that much money/years in a 30-something closer anyway), let me throw out a couple cheaper/shorter term relievers for consideration: Sergio Romo and Brad Ziegler. I’ve had this notion for quite some time that “trick” delivery/trick pitch guys actually do well at Coors. Brad Ziegler is kind of a super Steve Reed, submariner with a ridiculous groundball rate and (so far;… Read more »

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Doc
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I find it interesting that we’re assuming Bud Black has been given this power of input into personnel. That in of itself seems a giant leap forward from the previous workings of the Rox front office. Very positive development..

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Rockies avoid arbitration, sign Jake McGee for $5.9 million. Arenado, Blackmon and Chatwood are still left to be signed.

Bob K.
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Rockies non-tender Matt Carasiti and Stephen Cardullo. Both have elected free agency.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/#month=12&year=2016&team_id=115

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A bit about the new CBA that I saw on MLB network channel last night. The all star game no longer has any effect on home field. After the fan vote, the commissioner’s office gets to pick 7 NL All Stars (4 pitchers) and 5 AL All Stars (4 pitchers). Just my opinion but I don’t believe that the commissioner’s office should be picking any All Stars. I also do not understand why they would pick 7 from the NL… Read more »

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It’s great to find sooenme so on the ball

Lettie
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That’s not just logic. That’s really sebsenli.

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Agbayani
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Jake McGee: why? Why oh why, Jeff Bridich? I search in vain for any thread of hope in his last year’s performance. Maybe they’re looking for him simply as the lefty specialist? Well, lefties hit over .300 (.848 OPS, which is awful) against him last year. I’ve read “he was better in the second half,” but perhaps only in the most superficial way – his fielding independent ERA was over 5.00 in the second half. All of which could be… Read more »

roxnsox
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Agreed that this is a crap signing. And would love the RWO Staff to figure out how to block the bots.

Bob K.
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Melancon appear ready to sign with the Giants. Rumors are 4 year deal for $60+ million.

Doc
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rockymountainhigh
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Now add Todd Frazier to the list of possible 1B.

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Rockies give up 11th pick to sign Ian Desmond to a 5 year $70MM contract with an option for a 6th year at $13MM.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/rockies-to-sign-ian-desmond.html

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Desmond is athletic. That’s for sure.If he can use that to be a nimble athletic first baseman that’s great. OR is there another move down the line and Desmond moves to the OF. The problem with that is from all reports he was a good fielding CF not a great fielding CF. Blackman, Dahl (perhaps) and Cargo are great OFs. Interesting where that goes but the fact that he can play anywhere (except for the fact that he’s never played… Read more »

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I’m still getting warmed up to Desmond. I would have been thrilled if it was three years. Five years have me a bit scared.

Grant Bisbee whom I like reading wrote this article on the Desmond signing. He didn’t like the signing unless the Rox make other moves like sdcarp anticipates.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/12/7/13869482/ian-desmond-colorado-rockies-first-base

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Interesting trade. It’s a lot of money. I think that I’m thumbs down on it, although, as others have said, it might depend on other moves that are made. My questions are the following: how much better will Desmond be than the combination of Mark Reynolds and Jordan Patterson in 2017? Starting in 2018, how much better will Ian Desmond be than Ryan McMahon, particularly when you factor in the cost differential and the draft pick.

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I like the Desmond signing and I disagree with David Schoenfield of ESPN who states “Going from 75 wins to 90 won’t be easy and Desmond isn’t much of an upgrade over Reynolds.” The Rox 75 win total from last year was as a result of Trevor Story going down the end of July. If Story stays healthy the Rox win at least 81 maybe 82 games. Bud Black vs WW should add another 3 wins at least. A 1B… Read more »

Agbayani
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Carp, I have the feeling you’re trying to talk yourself into liking the Desmond signing. Because weird (and ultimately unproductive) as the Parra signing was last year, this one makes that signing seem downright logical. If Desmond really is going to play 1B, you might as well have just brought back Reynolds on a 1-year deal. Desmond’s value is his positional value – other than that lost 2015, he hits really well FOR A SHORTSTOP and pretty well FOR A… Read more »

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Arenado? NO way they are doing that. But as we are saying, there’s got to be more to this. My first thought was where Desmond was supposed to play! Saunders says he’s the new first baseman. Who has never started at first base in the majors. Right. There’s got to be more! Bridich can’t be continuing the time-honored Rockies tradition of terrible, head-scratching moves! Can he?

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There absolutely has to be more since the Rockies still have a vacant spot on the 40 man roster as they did not take anyone in the first round of the Rule 5 draft. They did take catcher Anthony Bemboom from the Angels in the Triple-A phase of the Rule 5 draft.

Bob K.
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The Rockies made no selection in the first round of the Rule 5 Draft. Josh Rutledge however was selected by the Red Sox so his signing by the Rockies was short lived.

Julian
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I’m surprised that the Rockies couldn’t find one player to draft in the Rule 5 draft. I guess that they’d rather spend 70 million dollars than $50,000.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

With the new CBA, Rule 5 draftees in the ML portion now cost $100,000 but your point is still valid.

Bill
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Getting Strohman would be great. Or I think it would be great. Never know with pitchers at Coors. We keep thinking that there must be more to the Desmond deal and I hope so. But what? To trade any of their infielders would bring a haul (or should) and if Desmond replaces them he gives us more age and isn’t as good as Arenado, Story or DJ. But more power than DJ. But what if Story’s injury is worse than… Read more »

Doc
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So many theories going around as to why in the hell they did it. Lot of speculation that they’re going to trade Blackmon which would open up CF for Desmond but Charlie’s a lot better and cheaper. They’d have to get a lot in return and I doubt they’d get it. I’m inclined to think they’re after the most versatile line up they can, guys that can be moved around in double switches and afford more down time for the… Read more »

Bill
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Doc- Hope you’re right. Taking the best players regardless of position has it’s merits. Better than DoD’s theory of taking the best QB available. Would have worked well if O’Dowd took Russell Wilson for the Broncos.

Agbayani
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Very interesting. And if the Rockies aren’t close to being done spending, my perspective on the Desmond signing changes, particularly if he gets used in the Zobrist way, moving all over the diamond depending on matchups, who’s hurt, who’s slumping, etc.

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Shiver me timbers, them’s some great information.

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I’m happy for Chettis and his full recovery from testicular cancer.

Bob K.
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Barring any other changes the Rockies will pick 3rd in the Competitive Balance Draft round B. It will be the 69th pick of the draft as things stand.

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Ian Desmond was finally announced today and added to the 40 man roster. Supposedly signed as a 1st baseman, it is interesting that he was added to the 40 man roster as an outfielder. Rockies still have 2 open spots on the 40 man roster.

http://rockiesroster.com/rockies/40-man/

Agbayani
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Bob K., that’s very interesting, listing Desmond as an outfielder. Just carrying over his position from last year? Trying to balance out INF/OF on the 40 man list? Or an insight into how Rockies management really sees him being used?

JulieG
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The Denver Post article today went into detail about him being at 1st. That doesn’t mean that management can’t change their minds:-)

Doc
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Like the scenario,k Carp, especially dumping Para

Bob K.
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Bob K.

Carasiti and Cardullo have both been re-signed to minor league deals with the Rockies.

Bob K.
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Bob K.
rockymountainhigh
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Yes we got Dunn!! Keep adding BP arms.