Who Should be the Next Manager of the Rox?

Bill mentioned Wally Backman yesterday. Backman was on my long list previously posted. I also posted a brief follow-up comment to Bill explaining Backman’s somewhat dubious past – although from purely a baseball standpoint I think he’s easily qualified.

But it got me thinking – this is going to be THE hot topic for the next 6-8 weeks.

Here’s my prediction:

Rox finish season, 2 weeks pass, Rox and WW have a lovey dovey press conference saying they’ve mutually decided to part ways (what a joke – there’s nothing mutual to it in an expiring contract situation). Then…..speculation begins for the next Manager.

I vote that we park our speculation/thoughts on this thread. I’ll revisit my past posts and recycle my long list in the near future. I’ll place those names here. In the meantime, I’m going to throw a “new” name into the mix:

http://m.cubs.mlb.com/roster/coach/111249/chris-bosio

sdcarp

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    • sdcarp

      September 15, 2016

      This is from the topic earlier this Summer:

      I’ve thrown out names previously. Here’s a compilation of those names, plus a few more with quotes from various sources:

      Todd Greene –

      Greene has served in a variety of roles since retiring, including quality assurance coach (Rays) and professional scout (Mariners). He’s been with the Diamondbacks for the past five seasons, where currently serves as a major-league scout and special assistant to general manager Dave Stewart.

      With more than two decades in the game in a variety of roles, Greene has experienced every type of team, from rebuilding in Colorado to being on a Yankees team that lost a Game 7 in the 2001 World Series. He’s at an ideal age, 44, not too removed from his playing days so he can still relate to players while having experienced all facets of the game. He’s a fierce competitor who hates to lose.

      sdcarp grade = B+. A lot to like here, including previous Colorado ties and quality time with Tony LaRussa. He’s probably first in line to replace Chip Hale….so Bridich would need to fire WW in-season and make a bold power-play to pull this off.

      Alex Cora

      Cora is a strong communicator, which has been on display in his work for ESPN. Former teammates and coaches universally respect him. He spent time on six different teams over those 14 big-league seasons under nine different managers. There is great value in playing the game under a variety of different managers and coaches when developing a mind to potentially manage one day. You have the advantage of learning under varying styles and developing your own style from the group.

      Alex told me Davey Johnson was one of those managers he considers an influence. The big lessons came in watching Johnson be patient with the development of young players like Ian Desmond and Danny Espinosa in Washington while handling the delicacy of aging veterans. He also cites Jim Tracy as a mentor he watched win while utilizing a full roster and executing the platoon advantage to perfection.

      Cora managed in the Puerto Rican winter league this past year and will do so again. Anyone who knows the winter ball culture knows that the pressure to win each and every game is like no other.

      sdcarp grade = C. Has the Jim Tracy link. But otherwise, no Rockies ties.

      Phil Nevin

      After a successful 12-year career as a player, Nevin decided to become a manager. He started off managing in the independent leagues, and was then hired to manage in the Detroit Tigers system in 2010. After spending four years there, including three at the Triple-A level, Nevin moved to the Diamondbacks organization in 2014.

      Nevin’s playing background will certainly benefit him given baseball’s recent move towards former players as managers. On source noted his “fiery passion for the game” as what makes him stand out. Nevin is always seeking ways to learn more and more about the game. He received consideration for the Diamondbacks’ vacancy this offseason, and there is likely more to come in the future.

      sdcarp grade = B-. He’ll be 2nd in line for Chip Hale’s job. Of course son Tyler is in the Rox Farm system. Nevin is highly regarded by many, but I look at the minor league record and something doesn’t add up for me.

      Doug Mientkiewicz

      Mientkiewicz will benefit from his playing background as he also played 12 years in the big leagues. Since then, Mientkiewicz got his start as a hitting coach in independent ball in 2012 before becoming manager of the High-A Miracle in 2013.

      Mientkiewicz is known for his fiery personality and passion for the game and his players. One source told me, “I really like the way that his teams play for him.” His passion can become too evident sometimes as he started a brawl back in in 2013, which does hurt him. Still, Mientkiewicz was seriously considered for the Twins’ opening this offseason, and he could become a much-desired managerial candidate with a few more years of experience.

      Mientkiewicz made his coaching debut in 2012 in the Los Angeles Dodgers organization as the hitting coach of the rookie league Ogden Raptors in the Pioneer League. 12, he was hired by the Minnesota Twins organization as the Manager of the high-Class A Fort Myers Miracle, the team he played for in 1995–96 to start his baseball career. Mientikiewicz got the Miracle off to a fast start in 2013 as the team tied a franchise record by winning their first 14 games of the season (equaling the mark set in 1995 and tied in 2007)and ended April with a Minor League best 21 wins (21-4).

      In October 2014, Mientkiewicz was a finalist to become the manager of the Minnesota Twins.Ultimately, Paul Molitor was selected as Twins manager, and Mientkiewicz managed the Double-A Chattanooga Lookouts in 2015.

      sdcarp grade = A-. I’m a Mientkiewicz fan. He was a lunch pail player, and has been the same as a Minor League Manager. I’ve always thought the Rox should look to the Twins as a bit of a “model” also. He’s done his time and is blocked by Twins legend Molitor.

      Brett Butler – Marlins third base coach

      Another former player, Butler had a great 17-year career in the big leagues that ended in 1997. He later served as an instructor with the Los Angeles Dodgers and New York Mets before getting his first managerial job for the GCL Mets in 2004. Butler then spent time with the Diamondbacks as a minor league manager and an outfield and baserunning coordinator. After coaching the Triple-A Reno Aces from 2009-2013, he took the Marlins’ third base coach job in 2014.

      One source noted that Butler is “a high energy guy with a ton of passion whose playing resume puts him on the radar.” Another told me that he “is a great communicator and passionate about teaching.” Though he has not gotten any serious managerial consideration yet, his experience makes him an intriguing name to watch moving forward.

      sdcarp grade = C+. A lot to like, but no Rox ties. Seems more like a Dodgers guy anyway.

      Bud Black

      Black returned to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim to serve as a special assistant to the new General Manager, Billy Eppler. Black previously served as a pitching coach for the team from 2000-2006.

      Of course Black was the Padres longtime Manager.

      sdcarp grade = B+. Rough year in Anaheim. Could be major turnover ahead. I’m guessing he’s got a Managerial “out” clause in his contract regardless. He’s the “safe” choice.

      Mike Maddux

      Maddux currently serves as pitching coach of the Washington Nationals. He previously served in that capacity for the Milwaukee Brewers and Texas Rangers. The teams for which Maddux has coached have allowed significantly fewer runs to score than before his hire. While coaching for the Rangers, the pitching staff posted season earned run averages (ERA) lower than 4.00 for the first time since 1990, doing so for four consecutive seasons. The Nationals hired him after the 2015 season.

      sdcarp grade = B-. I’m a longtime Maddux fan. But it seems as though he’s settled into his pitching coach role and may not aspire to Manage.

      Pat Murphy

      Murphy is currently the bench coach for the Milwaukee Brewers. He previously served as the interim manager of the San Diego Padres and as the head coach for the college baseball teams representing Arizona State University and the University of Notre Dame.

      sdcarp grade = B+. This is my current dark horse candidate. He’s done his time and was critically acclaimed when the Padres brought him up last year. But he had no chance. That was a complete dumpster fire. His entire history is with young players – hence the potential fit with the Rox. Deserves a real 2nd chance somewhere.

      Wally Backman

      Back an was a candidate to replace Jerry Manuel as the New York Mets’ major league manager in 2011, having interviewed for the position with new General Manager Sandy Alderson. After a second round of interviews in which Backman was a finalist,[14] however, the position went to Terry Collins. Backman was subsequently named manager of the Mets’ double A affiliate, the Binghamton Mets.[15]

      In Backman’s first season in Binghamton, the club had a 65-76 record. Backman remains highly regarded in the Mets organization, and was promoted to manager of their AAA affiliate, the Buffalo Bisons[16] for the 2012 season.

      In 2013, Backman managed the Mets’ new AAA affiliate, the Las Vegas 51s, leading them to an 81-63 record and winning the Pacific Coast League’s Pacific South Division title. Las Vegas lost to Salt Lake three-games-to-one in the Conference Championship Series. Backman returned to the 51s for the 2014 season, and the team once again advanced to the playoffs. On August 29, 2014, Backman was announced as the PCL Manager of the Year.

      sdcarp grade = C-. I actually think Backman could do really well, but don’t see Monfort letting him get in the door to interview given his slightly sketchy past (DUI, financial scam…..both 15+ years ago).

      Jason Giambi

      I think he’s completely out of baseball.

      sdcarp grade = F. Don’t do it.

      Spillygoat

      I’m NOT a fan of players becoming Managers without putting in their time Managing in the Minors first. But there seems to be some trend towards hiring these guys. I hope we don’t go that route. If we do….Spilly would actually be my “first” choice.

      sdcarp grade = D.

      Ryne Sandberg

      He’s something like a Cubs “ambassador” now…..whatever that means. He had no chance in Philly, but he’s still not good.

      sdcarp grade = F.

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    • Bill

      September 15, 2016

      I threw Backman’s name out there yesterday after I read that he was no longer with the Mets. But sometime this summer I posted a note that I had read that the Rockies have never hired either an ex-catcher or an ex-pitcher as a manager. Actually Clint Hurdle turned to catching late in his career when he could no longer stick as a 3B. Most manager’s are ex-catchers, pitchers not so much. Of the names above Bud Black, Mike Maddox are ex-pitchers while Todd Greene is an ex-catcher (I think). I would love for the Rockies to hire a high-energy guy like Backman, or somebody who has had success, and have him hire Black or Maddox at pitching coach. Or lure a proven big-league manager here for the challange of winning at altitude. But the owner probably won’t pay. Broncos won 4 straight division titles and still fired John Fox and went and got Kubiak. Nuggets fired George Karl despite going to the playoffs most every year. (And losing in the 1st round most every time). Walt Weiss has had losing record every year and what ever improvement they showed earlier in the summer is gone as they continue to lose to bad teams. Broncos new hire worked, Nuggets not so much. At least not yet.

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    • sdcarp

      September 15, 2016

      Another name (I don’t want to add but feel I must because I bet he gets an interview) – Glenallen Hill;

      Glenallen Hill

      I’m not opposed to Glenallen Hill per se – but believe we should go outside the organization.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      September 15, 2016

      Now the Yankees fans know how it feels when the bullpen don’t come through with a 3-run lead and Betances closing.

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    • sdcarp

      September 23, 2016

      Doug Mientkiewicz’s Chattanooga Lookout’s (Minnesota Twins AA – Southern League) finished the year 75-65. He’s a great under the radar candidate for the Rox.

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    • sdcarp

      September 23, 2016

      Phil Nevin’s Reno Aces (Arizona Diamondbacks AAA – PCL) finished the year 76-68. Another great candidate for the Rox.

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    • sdcarp

      September 23, 2016

      Milwaukee Brewer’s bench coach Pat Murphy will be at Coors next weekend. Hopefully Bridich will have a chat with him. He’s my darkhorse candidate. He’s put in his time and deserves a real chance. He didn’t get a “real” chance with the Matt Kemp/Justin Upton dysfunctional Padres.

      MANAGING/COACHING CAREER

      • Begins his fi rst season as Brewers bench coach…..was named to his current position on Nov. 2, 2015, replacing Jerry Narron

      • Was interim manager of the San Diego Padres last season, replacing Bud Black on June 16, 2015…..went 42-54 (.438)

      • Managed at Class-A Eugene (2011-12), Triple-A Tucson (2013) and Triple-A El Paso (2014-15) while in the Padres organization…..went 273-230 (.543)

      • Posted the top record in the Northwest League in both 2011 (46-30) and 2012 (47-29) while at Class-A Eugene

      • Spent the 2010 season as special assistant to baseball operations for the Padres

      COLLEGE COACHING CAREER

      • Enjoyed a 25-year head coaching career spent primarily at the University of Notre Dame (1988-94) and Arizona State University (1995-2009)…..went 947-400-2 (.703) at those schools

      • Was on pace to become the winningest coach in NCAA history at the time he transitioned into coaching in the professional ranks….. finished at 1000-457-4 (.686)

      • Went 318-116-1 (.732) at Notre Dame and 629-284-1 (.689) at Arizona State…..earned 1998 National Coach of the Year honors after leading the Sun Devils to the National Championship game

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      • sdcarp

        September 25, 2016

        Bob – I was telling my wife about this tragedy this AM and trying to come to grips (and simultaneously explain to her) the significance of this to the Marlins franchise. So I told her about the Rockies and Marlins parallel history (both 1993 expansion teams), explained that the Marlins had won 2 World Series, yet (even though it seems unfathomable) may be more dysfunctional than the Rockies in the Front Office and at the Ownership level. I told her about the Marlins yearly attendance struggles. This led to some fact finding:

        Since their 1993 inception, the Marlins have drawn 39,394,297 to their home games.
        Since their 1993 inception, the Rockies have drawn 70,687,639 to their home games.

        Fernandez in that new Ballpark was their great hope. Brutal blow.

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    • Agbayani

      September 25, 2016

      Jose Fernandez – what a loss for baseball. There aren’t many pitchers that will make me tune in (or go to the park) just to watch. Fernandez’s had that rare combination of pure talent and absolute joy of playing the game. It was truly infectious. Things he did would’ve been called showboating and “lack of respect for the game” if other players did it. For him, it was just Jose loving life and baseball, and nobody ever seemed to take it any other way. That alongside Vin Scully’s retirement makes this a tough weekend for baseball fans. Scully, amazingly, was a mainstay when my dad (who grew up in Queens) was a kid. I feel like that’s a passing of a generation — the last of the Brooklyn Dodgers.

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      • roxnsox

        September 25, 2016

        Nicely said, Ag. I echo the heartbreak of many at the tragic loss of a beautiful young man (and let’s not forget his friends), and a wonderful talent who enriched the game.

        I have another comment, less important: I could not give two hoots that the Rockies lost the game today. A walkoff by Charlie Culberson?! Beautiful. Props, Charlie, “role player.” So long, Vin; I enjoyed your calls, and glad your guys sent you out of Dodger Stadium happy (with a division celebration, no less).

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        • sdcarp

          September 26, 2016

          Responding to the less important comment – and I know this is a Rockies message board and we’re supposed to hate all things Dodgers and Giants – but I have to say I really like the way the Dodgers are constructed and will go so far as to say if Kershaw is nearing 100% (his last start indicates he might be) then I think they have a real chance. Ridding themselves of Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier has helped. Having the best Closer in baseball helps. Kenta Maeda has been really good. Chase Utley is a great veteran presence (as of course is Adrian Gonzalez).

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          • Bob K.

            September 26, 2016

            Andre Ethier is still a Dodger. He was on the DL most of the season but recently returned. He hit a solo home run in the Dodger’s 5-2 win over the Rockies on Friday.

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          • roxnsox

            September 27, 2016

            I’d love to see the Rockies knock the Giants out of the playoffs!!!

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    • sdcarp

      September 30, 2016

      RMH pointed out to me that Ron Wotus’ name has come up as a potential Managerial candidate. He’s been an assistant forever, but was a finalist for the Nationals job last season (I guess he finished 3rd behind Baker and Bud Black). I’m a little skeptical. Not about his ability…..I think he’s excellent. I’m just not sure I see him staying in the NL West. Here’s a very brief background;

      After a brief Big League playing career from 1983-1984, Wotus took on the coaching role for the first time in 1990. In his previous 25 years coaching, Wotus has been named Minor League Manager of the Year twice, holds a career managerial 554-412 record (.574), and is one of only five individuals since 1900 to serve as a Giants coach for at least 10 years.

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    • sdcarp

      October 1, 2016

      Some good peripheral news on the Managerial front…..the Reds have decided to stick with Bryan Price, and the Braves (quietly somewhat respectable in the 2nd half) are looking more and more likely to stay internal in their search for a new, permanent Manager. So that’s two teams out of the Managerial market. I expect the DBacks to can Hale, but stay internal. Next couple of weeks will be interesting.

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      • sdcarp

        October 2, 2016

        Also – looks as though the White Sox will stay in-house and select Rick Renteria to replace Robin Ventura.

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    • Doc

      October 2, 2016

      As much as I dislike Weiss as a manager, my gut tells me Dicky will resign him. If I’m wrong and he actually brings in someone we respected, the impact would be huge for the organization.

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    • sdcarp

      October 4, 2016

      More good peripheral news for the Rox. As expected, the Snakes fire Chip Hale (that’s not the good news). The good news is they also fire Dave Stewart and reassign Tony LaRussa. I say this is good news because they “should” go through the process of hiring a GM prior to hiring a Manager. So we’ll have a nice head start on external candidates when compared to them.

      That being said – my money is on them hiring Todd Greene (internal candidate) as their next Manager a month from now.

      I liked some of Bridich’s quotes yesterday. He didn’t sugarcoat (that much) that he and Weiss weren’t on the same page. That tells me they weren’t even reading the same book.

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    • sdcarp

      October 4, 2016

      After 2015, Doug Mientkiewicz was a HOT name. Several organizations flirted with him. Nothing has really changed. Here’s a snippet from an article about 1 year ago:

      Congratulations to the Chattanooga Lookouts, the 2015 Southern League champions. An extended congratulations to Doug Mientkiewicz, manager of the Lookouts and back-to-back title winner with Fort Myers in 2014 and the Lookouts this year. Mientkiewicz’s name has really started to buzz around baseball with the minor league season now ending and a multitude of MLB managerial jobs opening for the 2016 season.

      Keep in mind (rightly or wrongly) he’s “blocked” by Twins legend Paul Molitor.

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    • Mike Raysfan

      October 4, 2016

      So both Bud Black and Ron Washington are interviewing for the Braves job. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if either one ended up here. Unfortunately you really didn’t have to read between the lines with the Jeff Bridich answer to Mr. Goodman. And even he admitted it is the Rockies m.o. to look in house. Could be way off base but the rumors and speculation seem to be favoring Mr. Hill as a possible front runner.

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    • sdcarp

      October 5, 2016

      Everyone remains in “politically correct” mode post WW resignation/firing/non renewal of contract (whatever you want to call it). But I find this comment in the DP from NoDo interesting:

      Nolan Arenado has no idea who will be the Rockies’ next manager, but he knows what qualities he wants in his next boss.

      “I want to see someone with some fire and energy, someone who can light a fire under the guys,” the all-star third baseman said Tuesday, a day after manager Walt Weiss resigned.

      I take this as a bit of indirect WW criticism. I also think this goes to the point of selecting a Manager that is “right” for the group. Last offseason, the Nats hired Dusty Baker. Baker is a notorious “veteran friendly” Manager, to the point that he was fired by Clubs with up-and-coming young players (Reds). But for the Nats – in “win now” mode, he was a good fit. He (or someone similar) is NOT a good fit for the current ROX youth movement. I’m not 100% sure Bud Black is a good fit for the current group either.

      So let’s read between the tea leaves a bit more. Bridich has all but said (in notorious GM speak) that he wants a “new school” type Manager aligned with his philosophies. A reasonable request, right? We also know the Monfort doesn’t have a history of spending big $$$ on Managers (perhaps fallout from the failed Leyland experiment). Monfort is also notorious (in both good and bad ways) for his loyalty to employees. So he’s probably not to keen on a total coaching overhaul. So if we go outside the organization (which I maintain we should), it really points to guys like Mientkiewicz, JR House, and/or Pat Murphy. Mientkiewicz certainly fits NoDo’s request for fiery. In my opinion – we should be watching these guys, or these types of guys.

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      • Bob K.

        October 5, 2016

        I suspect that Bridich knew for a long time that Weiss was not coming back and already knows who he wants as the next manager. I am sure there will be a number of interviews and unless someone comes along and just blows away the competition that the next manager has already been tentatively picked. I also believe that it is long past time for Tommy Runnells to move on. I believe that, in my opinion, they need to bring in someone else to coach the catchers. How many times have we heard of the next great catching prospect coming along and when they show up they just don’t cut it?

        Here is a proposal that I am sure will not happen or even be liked. Trade Arenado to the Yankees for their super catching prospect Gary Sanchez and one of their 1st base prospects, Greg Bird or Tyler Austin.

        You can move Story to 3rd base and really speed up the process by bringing up Brendan Rogers to play short. Then go even farther and hire the Yankees catching coach since the Yankees seem to do an excellent job developing catchers.

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        • sdcarp

          October 5, 2016

          Bob – I agree 100% regarding Runnells. This is one of the reasons I think we need (desperately) to go outside the Organization for a new Manager.

          Regarding NoDo – regardless of what either side says, I’ll bet the house there have been discussions regarding an extension. If the Rox feel like an extension is going to be difficult, then by all means they should consider moving him.

          Regarding Story/Rogers……recent scouting reports of Rogers, while very good, do question his lateral movement. This isn’t new. These questions were there when he was drafted. What I’m saying is…..he may ultimately be destined for 3rd, not Story. This is one reason I believe Ryan McMahon is “tradable” as well.

          So….you’re not going to necessarily get disagreement from me.

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          • Bob K.

            October 6, 2016

            I don’t give a whole lot of credence to posted analyses of young minor league players. For one the analyses are usually done by people that don’t see much of the players and while sometimes they may be correct they are often very poor judgments. One example is Nolan Arenado who as a minor league player was continually being said to be a poor defender. I watched him in games when he played in the Arizona Fall League and he was very far from a poor defender. Another was the constant statement that Story had just average speed. That statement continued well after he was playing ML ball. I wouldn’t say he is super fast but from what I saw this year he is definitely must faster than average.

            I honestly do not believe the Rockies can afford to extend Arenado and I also selfishly want him to go to a team where he will be recognized for the talent he has instead of constantly being downgraded because he plays half his games at Coors Field.

            My impression is that Fangraphs and others with their proprietary formulas are still treating Coors Field as if the humidor doesn’t exist.

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    • sdcarp

      October 7, 2016

      I see the Braves have parted ways with longtime (11 years) pitching coach Roger McDowell. He’s a good coach for sure and will be quickly picked up assuming he wants to stay in baseball.

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    • sdcarp

      October 8, 2016

      Eddie Perez to be considered. I like this;

      #Tigres Eduardo Pérez también comentó que recibió una llamada de los #Rockies Está en una lista de posibles candidatos a mánagers

      Greg Maddux’s personal catcher. Coaching since 07, mostly as Braves BP coach. Came up the hard way. Has interviewed for the Braves job. At absolute bare minimum is fulfilling loose requirement to consider international and minority candidates. But…..Perez is legit.

      This process is going to take a while.

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      • rockymountainhigh

        October 8, 2016

        Is he fiery? I bet Arenado’s desire for a fiery type manager is about 5 percent weight on Bridich ‘s decision for next manager. I bet about 70% weight is for a candidate who is a big believer in sabermetrics so he’ll be on the same page as Bridich.

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    • sdcarp

      October 8, 2016

      Runnells – FIRED
      Doyle – FIRED
      Lachemann – FIRED
      EY Sr – FIRED

      I like it! Housecleaning has begun. I take this as a strong sign that Bridich will go outside the organization for the new Manager (allowing said Manager some say in staff).

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      • rockymountainhigh

        October 9, 2016

        And the pitching coaches remain which is my #1 concern. As it turns out, Foster and Holmes were Bridich’s hires. Everyone else fired were friends of Weiss or same old in house. Dick Montfort had finally figured out to let Bridich run the organization nearly independently.

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        • sdcarp

          October 9, 2016

          Makes some sense (Foster and Holmes remain) RMH. I gotta believe Stu Cole will get a pink slip.

          Darren Holmes and Eddie Perez surely overlapped a bit in Atlanta (Holmes was some sort of special assistant for a couple of years). I have little doubt that the Rox (or virtually any other team with vacancies) wants to talk to Perez. But now I wonder……for what position? I’m not discounting Manager. Perez was a catcher as a player, and has served as bullpen and 1st base coach for the Braves. I could also easily see him serving a similar role (1B coach) or bench coach for the Rox.

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    • Bob K.

      October 10, 2016

      From MLBTrade Rumors projected arbitration salaries for 2017.

      “Rockies (5)

      Jake McGee (5.127) – $6.1MM
      Tyler Chatwood (5.039) – $4.8MM
      Jordan Lyles (5.021) – $3.3MM
      Charlie Blackmon (4.102) – $9.0MM
      Nolan Arenado (3.155) – $13.4MM”

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    • rockymountainhigh

      October 11, 2016

      Thomas Harding reported possible outside candidates bases on his educated guesses. None of them on sdcarp’s list except Bud Black.

      Ron Roenicke – Angels coach and former Brewers manager.
      Brad Mills – Indians bench coach
      Eddie Perez
      Dave Martinez – Cubs bench coach who interviewed for Dodgers manager but Dave Roberts chosen. Worked with Joe Maddon.
      Ron Wotus – Giants bench coach long time under Bochy.
      Toney Lovullo – successful manager in the Indians and Red Sox systems.

      I love where Bridich’s periscope is pointing. Notice all potential candidates are in the post season now? He has to wait until after the WS before interviewing them.

      How do you rate each candidate sdcarp? I favor Martinez and Wotus since they both worked under the two best managers in the game.

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      • sdcarp

        October 11, 2016

        Ha – you warned me this was coming!

        I like the fact that we appear to be very seriously looking outside the organization. To me…..this is mission #1.

        Of these specific names, I like Wotus and Torey Lovullo quite a bit. As previously noted, I’m skeptical about Wotus solely because of the NL West/Giants connection. Lovullo……there’s a guy that has put in his time, been successful, been with good organizations (his Red Sox ties likely make him sabremetric receptive), and deserves a chance. He’d be a great hire.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      October 11, 2016

      I’m leaning to Dave Martinez. He’ll get creative like Maddon. Move Car Go to 1B, put best pitcher in earlier innings, have versatile players, etc. Even move LOOGY pitcher to OF then bring him back to mound as needed. 🙂

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    • sdcarp

      October 11, 2016

      Looks as though the Braves have exercised their 2017 option on Eddie Perez (as well as Terry Pendleton) AND hired Ron Washington as 3rd base coach – all to compliment Brain Snitker. That’s a good coaching group.

      Perez (rumored as a candidate for the Rox job) likely has an “out” clause in his contract – so I’m not sure today’s Braves announcement automatically means he’s not a Rox candidate.

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    • Bob in WV

      October 12, 2016

      Let’s see: Tulo in, Tribe in, Sox out, Mets out, Cubs in, Giants slayed, Yanks never there. So far so good. Usually by now I’m stuck rooting for the lesser of two or even four evils. Go Nats, make it a sweep and I have something to like about all these teams.

      Disclaimer: I have never had to endure a Cubs game with their fans at Coors so I’ve never developed the probably justifiable animosity some of you have.

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      • sdcarp

        October 12, 2016

        What this means – Torey Lovulla and Ron Wotus are free to interview!

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      • roxnsox

        October 12, 2016

        The Cubs’ 9th inning win over the #&$^!$#^%#$^! Giants was one of the sweetest things I’ve ever had the pleasure of rooting for and seeing happen in baseball. And it reaffirms my belief held all season that this is the Cubbies’ year at last. I hope my dad is watching from where he is, and I’ll be feeling him as I root them all the way home.

        I hate fans of visiting teams overwhelming Coors Field as much as anyone, but I DON’T understand why that is a basis to hate the visiting team. Ah, baseball fanhood. Not always rational by far, and I include myself 🙂

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    • rockymountainhigh

      October 12, 2016

      It’s now official that Cole, Foster, and Holmes will return for 2017.

      Copied and pasted:
      Former Padres manager Bud Black confirmed on Tuesday that he is interested in the Rockies’ manager job.

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    • sdcarp

      October 12, 2016

      Patrick Saunders is reporting that Bud Black is indeed interested in the Rockies Manager position. Others are reporting this as well (although they may just be sourcing Saunders). With the Braves selecting Snitker and the DBacks still seemingly helplessly mired in a GM search, the Rox really have no competition at the moment.

      There has been some reporting that Bridich is searching for an analytic friendly Manager. I’m not sure if this is directly from Bridich, or simply speculation. Regardless, Black trends more toward an “old school” type Manager. That said, I wonder if a year in the Front Office with the Angels this year has changed his outlook?

      Regardless, I’m a fan of these type guys that have really solid Managerial experience, then step away for awhile (forced or unforced). They tend to come back with recharged batteries and a little better outlook. Couple that with the fact that Black is a pitching guru (and we can all agree the Rox will never get enough pitching insight) and I continue to maintain Black is the lowest risk candidate. The fact that there’s not a market developing for him should make him a little less expensive. I wonder what his experience is with Foster and Holmes? I think all these guys know each other to at least some extent.

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      • sdcarp

        October 15, 2016

        Bob – it’s encouraging to see these out-of-organization names continuing to pop up. Ron Roenke had also been floated. I’m not pro Porter or Roenke, but I find the interest level encouraging.

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    • sdcarp

      October 17, 2016

      DBacks hire Mike Hazen as GM. Very nice hire. Simply applying the guilty by association stereotype now…..I’m guessing Torey Lovullo will immediately become high on the Snakes potential Manager list.

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    • Bill

      October 17, 2016

      Last night our old friend (or not) the World”s best GM (Dan O’ Dowd) speculated that Lovullo would likely have lots of interest in Lovullo. I think Tony La Russa still is employed in some capacity with the D-Backs so I’m not sure who is calling the shots.

      I’m guessing that the Rockies are seriously considering some of the coaches on the 4 teams still in contention. I think Brad Mills would be a good fit. Worked with Francona for years AND played minor-league ball here. Knows that winning in Colorado is not impossible.

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    • Bill

      October 17, 2016

      I meant Hazen had interest in Lovullo.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      October 18, 2016

      I watched the Avs play their first 2 games. As we know Sakic went outside to find a coach with a lot of success and experience in the minors. Working out wonderfully so far.

      That is what Bridich appears to be doing as well. Sdcarp was on to something when he talked about experience and success in the minors like Lovullo.

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      • sdcarp

        October 18, 2016

        RMH – IMO it’s a good year for the Rox to be hiring a Manager. Not much competition. Braves stay in house. White Sox stay in house. DBacks now have a GM from Red Sox, so Lovullo is obviously front runner there. I continue to believe it will be a process. Really no need to hurry. But in the end, I think all signs point toward Bud Black. Not only that, I think Black can hire a really experienced bench coach (Roenicke for example…..and I apologize for not being able to spell his name). Montfort has all but said he’s willing to raise payroll. That means coaches also. Give me a staff of Black, Roenicke (bench coach), Jason Giambi (batting coach), Foster and Holmes and people will take notice.

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    • sdcarp

      October 20, 2016

      I have to say I’m psyched to see the Indians make the World Series. This past Spring Training, I spent the entire morning of one of my days in AZ roaming the backfields at Goodyear (Indians and Reds). It should also be noted they gave up a lot (Clint Frazier) to get Andrew Miller. It will take years to judge the outcome of that trade. But it does continue to show the increasing emphasis and importance of building a rock solid shut-down Pen. By acquiring Miller, they effectively moved very solid Closer Cody Allen to the setup role (although Francona mixed and matched quite a bit). If we could somehow convince Melancon to sign and move Otto to the 8th, we would be following the same model.

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    • sdcarp

      October 21, 2016

      Interesting thoughts from Mike Hazen regarding what he’ll be looking for when hiring new DBacks Manager;

      The incoming GM also addressed the team’s upcoming managerial search in his chat with MLB Network Radio (Twitter links). “We are looking for an impact leader” in the dugout, he said. “The game is evolving, somebody that is looking forward to embracing that evolution.” At present, Arizona is “working through a candidate list,” but won’t rush into a hiring. “This is a critical decision and we’re going to take our time and get it right,” said Hazen.

      sdcarp’s translation;
      1. receptive to analytics.
      2. willing to play young players.
      3. willing to allow the GM to have a greater role in day-to-day team decisions.

      Sound familiar?

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      • rockymountainhigh

        October 21, 2016

        Very familiar.

        I think Bridich wants to wait until WS is over so he can talk to Dave Martinez. After the dthe Avs impressive win last night I realize the new coach is making a big difference. He said at the post game, “it’s important to win a game but a lot more important to win the game after the game you lost. ”

        Wow I was thinking you’re hired as a Rockies manager. I really hope Bridich hires someone with similar philosophy similar to Jared Bodnar.

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        • sdcarp

          October 23, 2016

          RMH – as far as I can tell, Dave Martinez has been with Joe Maddox since 2008. In my book – that’s a good thing. In fact, it’s an exceptional thing. Here’s my take (keep in mind Martinez was a Cub as a player) – if the Cubs win the Series, he’ll be ready to move on and Manage. If they don’t, I see him sticking by Maddon and trying to break the curse again next season. So if you want Martinez – pull for the Cubs!

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    • sdcarp

      October 22, 2016

      Patrick Saunder’s latest mailbag is also a decent read;

      http://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/21/rockies-mailbag-october-21-2016/

      He sorta kinda maybe thinks Bud Black is the front runner – but it’s a qualified, tepid prediction at best (and “prediction” is too strong a word). He also alludes to the riff between Bridich and Weiss. It really sounds like those two didn’t like each other.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      October 23, 2016

      I don’t know if Pete Rose is banned from coaching but I’m all over him as hitting coach for Colorado.

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      • Bob K.

        October 23, 2016

        Pete Rose is banned from baseball. He got banned when he was a coach. He will not be anyone’s hitting coach.

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    • sdcarp

      October 25, 2016

      Add the honorable Tim Wallach to the list (per Chris Cotillo):

      Chris Cotillo
      ‎@ChrisCotillo

      One name emerging as possible Rockies managerial candidate, per source: Marlins bench coach Tim Wallach.

      8:09 PM – 24 Oct 2016

      Another really strong candidate.

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      • sdcarp

        October 26, 2016

        I do as well Doc. Experience. Connection to Denver. Good pedigree. Has come up through the ranks the “right” way.

        I’m thinking lots of back-room interviews/contacts are being made this week as the World Series progresses. Things will heat up quickly as soon as the Series concludes. In fact, things could heat up really quickly if Martinez and/or Mills (or other Indians/Cubs connected names) are not being considered. If they are……I’m guessing the process will need to stretch out another couple of weeks post WS.

        That being said – I’m very much liking that virtually all names being kicked around are from outside the Organization.

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      • sdcarp

        October 28, 2016

        I don’t know Bob – I sort of think it’s “on-topic.” Every person Bridich interviews is going to ask “are you going to extend Arenado – long term?” Knowing guys like Arenado, Dahl, Story, Gray, etc. are going to be around a while will impact the Managerial decision.

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        • Bob K.

          October 28, 2016

          The other thing is that this is currently the only active thread. I would expect this award to help get him his 4th gold glove.

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    • sdcarp

      October 29, 2016

      DBacks to interview Alex Cora. I list him early in this thread as a “C” candidate for the Rox. I’m not overly impressed.

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      • sdcarp

        October 30, 2016

        Bob – I respectfully disagree here. Wakamatsu is insanely well respected and “connected” in the baseball world. He’s been around forever, yet is “only” 52 years old. Has served in virtually every capacity imaginable (even as a scout). He’s similar to Black in that he has lots of “street creed” and could easily attract good coaches.

        Another sidenote – Wakamatsu and Steve Foster overlapped in KC during the 2014 season.

        I really like the names popping up. Black/Wallach/Wakamatsu/Roenicke are all instantly significantly better than Weiss.

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    • sdcarp

      November 1, 2016

      This is just me speculating. No sources. No links. Like my Mom says – “it’s worth what you paid for it.”

      I’ve got to figure we’ve already either officially or unofficially interviewed Black, Wallach, Hill, Wakamatsu, and maybe even Roenicke. That leaves Martinez, Alomar Jr., and maybe Mills for after the WS.

      I’m also betting we’ve interviewed potential batting, bench, and 1B coaching slots as well.

      Once the WS is complete, things will move (or at least appear to move) much quicker. In fact, I believe qualifying offers have to be made within 5 days of the WS being decided.

      So what I’m saying here is – nothing you don’t already know. I just like typing the names of those potential Managers because all of them (with perhaps the exception of Hill) will be significant upgrades over WW.

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      • Bob K.

        November 1, 2016

        Joe Maddon has been stumping for Martinez to get a manager’s job.

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        • sdcarp

          November 2, 2016

          Yeah Bob K – I saw a blurb and read a quote or two from Maddon. Martinez has been by Maddon’s side for a long time (since 2008 as best as I can tell) – so surely much of Maddon’s insight and style has rubbed off on Martinez. This once again comes back to the fact that we may well be (or have already) interviewing a half-dozen candidates all significantly more qualified than Weiss. This is all good.

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          • Bob K.

            November 2, 2016

            LOL. It doesn’t take much to be more qualified than Weiss. One item that Weiss did that was a hold over from Tracy was not even trying to win every game. You can’t win every game but the attitude that you don’t even need to try to win is a bad one.

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    • sdcarp

      November 3, 2016

      Ladies and Gents – as Bob K points out, this is the only “active” thread going at the moment. I propose we leave it that way until we hire a Manager. Then, I’ll (or someone else) can start a RWO Hot Stove 2017 thread. Thoughts?

      Fascinating 2017 Hot Stove for the Rox ahead:

      1. New CBO to be negotiated. Items frequently brought up when discussing CBO is moving to a 154 game schedule and expanding rosters to 26. I can see the roster expansion benefitting the Rox more than many teams. Also, we’ll likely see the end of the QO system as we know it now.
      2. Rox will need to fill out coaching staff once new Manager is hired.
      3. Rox need to solve the 1B dilemma. I have some ideas on this one that I’ll hold for now.
      4. Rox will need to solve Bullpen dilemma. Regardless of what you thought of Maddon’s quick hook on Hendricks last night – the fact is no starter in this WS went more than 6 IP – and there were some really good starters (Kluber, Arrieta, Hendricks, Lester). I’ve said many times – relief pitchers are more important than ever. This is a league wide trend. We have MUCH work to do here. I know some here love Ottavino (hell, I do as well). But if he’s our Closer in 17, I don’t think we’re a playoff team. Sorry. Conversely, if we make a bold move a get an upper tier Closer and move Otto to the 8th, then we’re money!
      5. Do the Rox trade an OFer (could be directly related to #3 and #4 above).
      6. What do the Rox do with Motte, Qualls, and Parra?

      All sorts of things to follow. But…..let’s get a Manager first.

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    • sdcarp

      November 3, 2016

      Bob Nightengale claims Rox are close to pulling the trigger. I’m skeptical “if” Martinez, Alomar Jr., and Mills are really candidates. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I doubt they squeezed in interviews during the WS. So either Nightengale is wrong, or our search has lead to Wakamatsu, Black, Wallach, (and hopefully not Hill). We’ll know soon enough.

      The D-backs are choosing between Lovullo and their Triple-A manager, Phil Nevin, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter link). They and the Rockies are likely to hire managers within the next 24 to 48 hours, per Nightengale. Wakamatsu, Marlins bench coach Tim Wallach, Cubs bench coach Dave Martinez and Indians first base coach Sandy Alomar Jr. are among candidates

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    • rockymountainhigh

      November 3, 2016

      Dave Martinez is still my first choice. Now that WS is over, there are only two managers jobs open. I think Martinez comes here since Arizona have other ideas.

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    • Agbayani

      November 4, 2016

      How the Indians almost won it – fantastic article on fangraphs by August Fagerstrom (who doesn’t love that name?), who is leaving fangraphs to work for a MLB team (probably the Indians, so there’s a little bit of “new guy sucking up to his bosses” here too, but still, a good read): http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-the-indians-built-the-game-plans-that-nearly-won-it-all/
      And this is probably where Bridich is trying to take the Rockies. Interesting thing is that the old “scouts vs. stats” split is pretty much over. All the analytics discussed in this article revolve around actual observers of games (we used to call them “scouts”) compiling data on what they observe (we used to call them “statisticians”). Things like really detailed pitch charting, looking for holes in hitters swings, etc. This is why I think we’ll get an analytics-savvy manager who’s on the same page as Bridich. And I think that’s a great development. (Now watch Monfort throw me a curve by hiring Wally Backman or something)

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      • rockymountainhigh

        November 4, 2016

        Bridich has Montfort’s trust. That won’t happen trust me. It’s Black or Martinez or a name out of left field.

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      • sdcarp

        November 5, 2016

        My fear is that he doesn’t throw us a curve. Instead, it’s a big fat Glanallen Hill meatball down the center of the plate.

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    • sdcarp

      November 5, 2016

      When Bob Nightengale’s report came out Thursday AM saying the Rox and Snakes were within 24-48 hours of hiring Managers – I called BS for the Rox UNLESS they weren’t considering Martinez, Mills, and Alomar Jr. My BS claim was based solely on logistics. Not enough time to interview those guys post WS.

      Now we’ve passed the 48 hour window. The Cubs have had their rather remarkable parade. No Rox Manager yet, not even a clue. This tells me at least one of those three (Martinez, Mills, Alomar Jr) is in serious contention. I know this will make RMH smile!

      I guess we know Wakamatsu and Roenicke have been eliminated.

      GM meetings begin Monday in Scottsdale. Given that the entire Rox front office will likely be hanging out at SRF anyway, I see an announcement coming Monday, with a Press Conference back at Coors Friday.

      Now that enough time has passed from the WS to interview those guys, I handicap it this way:

      1. Martinez
      2. Wallach/Black/Alomar Jr/Mills/Wotus
      3. Hill

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    • rockymountainhigh

      November 5, 2016

      I don’t think we need to even handicap #2 or #3. It’s Martinez all the way unless he decides that the Rockies is not a fit for him. I almost think he’s the only choice really due to these factors: 1) Joe Maddon recommended him as perfectly qualified to be the manager smack in the middle of the WS. 2) There is no competition for Martinez and that’s perfect timing for the Rockies to pounce on Martinez. 3) He was a finalist for the Dodgers’ job until beaten out by Dave Roberts. 4) Tampa Bay Rays were ahead of time in using sabermetrics and other advanced stats to get the most talent out of the small market team and Maddon was there. Martinez had been with Maddon so he fits Bridich’s philosophy of moving forward to catch up with the rest of the league in using sabermetrics. No doubt Bridich will be happy to work with him. 5) The obvious – Rockies have to wait until after the WS and victory parade to even talk to him. That explains why there is not a new manager in place until after the WS.

      I should note that I firmly believe that Bridich has totally convinced Montfort to get out of baseball part of operations. It showed in the last few years when the Rockies figured out that we must have pitchers who were graded with well above average fastballs and/or low BB/9 ratio (as evidenced by Jack Wynkoop). It helped that Bridich was responsible for negotiating contracts of just about everyone coming through the system before he became the GM. He’s already proven to me (as well as Montfort) that baseball is a business, not about buddies as evidenced in the Tulo trade.

      Heck yes, sdcarp, I’m very happy that Martinez was selected as the next manager of the Rockies. You heard it here first before it goes public. Won’t surprise me if Bridich tells Montfort that he will have to cough up some extra dough to get Martinez signed to multiyear contract. Once it’s done, then Bridich will lock up perennial MVP candidate with the money back loaded after CarGo’s and Reyes’ contract expires.

      Another announcement you heard it here first – we will sign Greg Holland as a free agent reliever after the big three closers go off the board.

      I’m here for another week then I’m off on a month-long vacation in the South Pacific. But I will have access to the internet, but I might not be as talkative as I’m normally am on this blog.

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    • sdcarp

      November 6, 2016

      Bud Black it is.

      To me, of the group I handicapped above, Black should have been the “easiest” interview. By that – I mean he checks all the boxes (experience, NL West experience, pitcher’s Manager, etc) EXCEPT analytics. However, he’s been in the Angels Front Office the last couple of seasons. So it’s simply Black convincing Bridich that he’s seen the other side, is willing to embrace analytics – or not. If the answer is “embrace” (and it must have been) then he’s an easy hire.

      I like it.

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      • sdcarp

        November 6, 2016

        The other significant first impression I have of this hire is that the Rox didn’t go cheap. Black will no doubt command a decent, mid-pack Manager’s salary – as he should.

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    • mucs10

      November 7, 2016

      I just submitted this question to the Denver Post Rockies Mailbag. Bet it doesn’t reach the paper or that I don’t get an answer. I have sent 2 other questions this year that somehow never saw the light of day.

      Your question:: You, and others, seem very high on Bud Black based on the fact that he was a major league pitcher and previous manager in the NL West. He had a losing record in San Diego, never took the Padres to the playoffs, and blew a 6 1/2 game lead in September 2010. Perfect, he’s just like all the other Rox managers (sarcasm). My concern is that he was a major league pitcher who could not win as a manager in a pitcher’s ballpark. What’s he possibly going to do in a hitter’s ballpark. So, here is my question. Why are you so high on him? What has he done to lead you to believe he will embrace analytics (he is 7 years older that Walt Weiss)? Why do you think he will be a good manager in a hitter’s ballpark, when he had only 2 winning seasons in a pitcher’s ballpark. As you can tell I’m not high on Bud Black, so convince me.

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    • rockymountainhigh

      November 7, 2016

      Welcome Mucs10 to RWO. We are glad to have you aboard in this community with no rancor. I am not an numbers crunching type of person. I’ll let the others respond to your question more intelligently than me. 🙂 But I’ll give you my best answer.

      The main issue the Rockies has had ever since the 2010 season was too much internal hiring and promotions. The Rockies needed a fresh perspective from the outside. Jeff Bridich started pushing the Montfort brothers into the background and using sabermetrics when he was hired as the GM. Bridich did away with the loyalty to the players perspective and made baseball a business. Prime evidence – trading Tulo in a nanosecond when it was an opportunity to get a nice package of pitchers in return. He didn’t care if he hurt Tulo’s feelings. Then he also made Walt Weiss uncomfortable about continuing to manage here. (He would not have renewed his contract even if WW wanted to stay.

      That said, now he turned his focus to bringing a manager from the outside with experience. As sdcarp said in a quote a couple of comments above, Bud Black checks off on all boxes. Now I’m going to answer your questions:

      Yes he managed in the pitcher’s ball park. You have to remember that baseball is played with three big components working in tandem – pitching, fielding, and hitting. In San Diego, Black had only the pitching component (with the help from Petco Park). SD offense was anemic and their fielding was average. (I can be wrong as I’m not a sabermetrics guy but this is what I see with my naked eyes.) In Colorado, Black is going to get hitting and fielding without a doubt. The rotation appears to have some promise and Black will no doubt handle the pitching staff expertly. Bullpen is all we need to maybe get us over the hump assuming all or most other pieces of the team don’t regress significantly.

      Like you, I was concerned he might not be into sabermetrics even before he was hired. But the press conference today put away my concerns. He said he will work with Bridich and others in mixing baseball and sabermetrics. He also said he has no problem having Steve Foster and Darren Holmes staying with the team as pitching coaches.

      Lastly, if I haven’t convinced you yet, remember Clint Hurdle? He worn out his welcome here in Colorado and was not in the dugout for a couple of years. Guess what? He learned a lot from the outside and he has been a very successful manager in Pittsburgh. I believe Black will be the same way after working in the Angels front office. If Black was opposed to sabermetrics, there was absolutely no chance Bridich would have selected him.

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      • mucs10

        November 7, 2016

        Hey RMH. I used to be on the old site all the time. I have not contributed except once or twice since the new site has been up. 99% of the time it was because what I was going to say had already been said. I come to the site everyday because this is a great group of people and you are all very knowledgeable. That all being said, thanks for the welcome.

        I am not totally against Bud Black. I am going to be behind the team and the manager. I will keep an open mind about everything. I guess I just wanted to see if someone from the Post would answer my question. As I said above, I have submitted two other questions this year that have never been answered. One thing I did know is that I would get a response here. And right I was. I agree with a lot of what you said. What I don’t agree with is the people at the Post giving the impression that this was the most perfect and logical choice. This is why I put in the negative aspects of my question (s). I wanted the people who are 100% behind this hiring to convince me. Kinda playing the devil’s advocate so to speak.

        So , I will continue to root for the Rox, I will get behind Bud Black and give all the latitude I can and hope that HE convinces me. And I will continue to come to this site 2 or 3 times every day like I always do. I have moved to FL now (I lived in Greeley and grew up on Long Island) and live about 2 hours south of Tampa. Hard to watch any Rox games (SSI fixed income can’t afford any extras) but through the Rox website, the Post and all the fine people here I keep abreast of the team and organization.

        Go Rockies

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        • jaredean

          November 7, 2016

          Hey Mucs10, great to have you comment – love the thought of people like you visiting the site from the old ITR days…hope there are more that sit back and enjoy and contribute when they feel the need…

          I agree with most of what RMH has said in relation to BB. I like our team makeup more than any of the Padres teams in the past. I also like the arguments made for him being an NL West manager, so he knows the “enemy” as well as him coming from a pitching perspective, etc.

          I will throw in one thought i have ALWAYS had about the Padres, and this comes from them being a team i’ve actually enjoyed over the years and my wife’s favorite team: THEIR HOME TOWN CROWD ARE HORRIBLY UN-SUPPORTIVE OF THEM!

          Now, i know a little of this history between the team and the town, how they basically bamboozled the town into paying for a new stadium and then traded off hometown favorite players after. There is some seriously ill-will from that i believe. But as someone that has been to many games and sat in my in-laws house in San Diego without a way to WATCH a game on TV the problem goes way deeper. The team basically screwed their fan base with their TV contract. I can’t remember (and am too lazy to go look 🙂 ) what the station is, but a few years back they signed a TV agreement with a small network that hardly any homes carried so their fans were left hanging if they wanted to see a game.

          What is the big deal about that? Well, lets use the Cubs or Braves as an example – raise your hand if you saw one or both of those teams play when you were growing up, even though you were WAY outside their market? Now raise your hand if you notice that their fan base come to their games almost religiously. So, you get a good TV coverage of a team you get a great fan base coming to your games.

          And here is where i circle back to PetCo – one of the MOST BEAUTIFUL ballparks in the majors – it is ALWAYS mostly empty. That town does NOTHING to support that team. You mentioned 2010. They were, if memory serves, only 1 game away from making the playoffs with 10 games to go. TEN GAMES and they only had to win one. Again, this is by memory cause i’m too lazy to look it up. So I went to the second to last game of the season thinking it would be a madhouse because they’d lost the previous eight and needed to win that night or the next. THE STADIUM WAS A GHOST TOWN. I couldn’t believe that over HALF of the seats were empty. Here is a team ONE game away from the playoffs and nobody in San Diego cared!!!

          That is a huge difference between San Diego and Colorado. San Diego seemed to me that they just didn’t care. Colorado WANTS TO CARE SO MUCH IT HURTS and you give that city a winning season and they will come in DROVES. We are consistently up towards the top in attendance each year with a crap team on the field much of the time. The fans will go and they will cheer and that i think is a big difference with him coming to Colorado.

          Sorry about the rambling 🙂

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        • sdcarp

          November 7, 2016

          mucs10 – I’m not the Denver Post. Far from it. Perhaps that’s a good thing. Here are my thoughts to your comments:

          1. Black’s record in SD was 649-713. That’s 1362 major league games managed. That’s 1362 more games managed at the pro level than Weiss had when he was hired. 2010 Manager of the Year. Had a 90 win season in SD. His win percentage in SD is higher than SD’s historic franchise winning percentage. I’m obviously cherry picking some stats here – but the guy is experienced. His experience is in the NL West. His experience is with a small market, small budget team.
          2. He comes from outside the Organization – which was one of my main requirements with this hire.
          3. At some point I looked at his Coors Field record and it’s something like 35-45 (plus or minus). So he’s managed 80 games at Coors. He’s just about the most experienced Coors Manager the Rox could hire from outside the Organization (Bochy has probably managed 200+ games at Coors – but he’s not exactly available).
          4. Regarding analytics – I don’t think Bridich hires him if he isn’t convinced Black has opened his mind to the concept. I find this plausible since Black now has some Front Office time (Angels) under his belt in addition to his managerial experience. To me – the Angels front office time is as valuable as his managerial experience.
          5. Regarding pitching comments – it’s always been my opinion any team playing at 5280 can use all the pitching minds/gurus/ideas they can get. So having three (Black/Foster/Holmes) should help. Having some really, really solid young pitching will really help.
          6. This is a power move by Bridich. He went out, got a bona fide “name” candidiate, and will be paying him real money. This will help the Rox credibility.
          7. There’s also one intangible I like with Black. He’s historically been good with the media. Normally, I wouldn’t care about this. But Weiss was just awful. Bridich doesn’t interact with the media much. So I think it could help the Rox credibility to have a key person be media friendly. This should be really, really low on Black’s responsibility list – but I don’t think it’s irrelevant.

          I told RMH in an offline conversation that I’m of the opinion that Black was the highest “floor” candidate for the position. He may or may not be the highest ceiling – time will tell. If you go back to the top of this thread – I threw out a list of candidates and graded them. I said Black was a B+. I stand by that – and love it since we’re coming off a D-.

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    • Mike Raysfan

      November 7, 2016

      Good luck Bud Black. I like the way he got hit with the analytics at the press conference. Guy is here 5 minutes and already in the hot seat. Not sure Tom Verducci will ever be a fan of the Rox. I disagree with his assertion that the Rox can never win.

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    • Agbayani

      November 7, 2016

      Glad to see some folks from the old ITR days dropping by again. It’s a good sign that interest is up even if not everyone agrees that Bud Black is the right choice.
      I’m o.k. with Black. Actually, I’m pretty happy about it. Not because he’s been a huge success as a manager. As others have pointed out, there’s that losing record/no playoffs thing. There’s also that older guy, maybe not analytics driven thing. But still: he ain’t Walt Weiss. By that I mean he’s a legitimate MLB manager, not a guy plucked from a high school diamond who never really seemed to have his heart in it. He brings a certain seriousness of purpose if nothing else – the idea that Bridich was able to sell the Monforts on doing something other than going the cheapskate route by hiring someone with no other serious options (say, Glenallen Hill). A serious man for a serious team with serious ideas of competing in the next few years. As for on the field managing, well, who knows? All I know is that the trend now among “mid-market” teams will be to emulate the Royals and Indians, and Bridich, Black & Co. will be smart enough to follow the trend even if they don’t blaze any new trails. I like being able to say, “nice job, Rockies … for once you didn’t take the opportunity and completely whiff.” That’s progress!

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    • mucs10

      November 8, 2016

      RMH, Jaredean, Sdcarp,and Agbayani, one thanks for the welcome back (though I was reading everyday haha) and also for responding The one great thing about this site is the well written and knowledgeable comments. Not to mention the passion injected into the comments. I knew that I would get responses (unlike the Post) and that they would be insightful, passionate and convincing. Thank you all.

      You have all given me some better insight into Bud Black. As I said, though, this was more of a devil’s advocate kind of thing and you have certainly sent the devil back home hahaha. As I also said, I will be behind the team and the manager as always.

      One last comment. Jaredean, thank you for all of your hard work in getting this site started and maintaining it. Must be a ton of work with a bunch of blood, sweat, and tears involved. Again, thanks. One of the little things I enjoyed about ITR and the original RWO was that I could look at a category and it would show how many total comments there were. Also when I read the comments, the time the comment was made would be listed after the date the comment was made. Not complaining, but it helped this old mind keep things in order (and it is an old mind hahaha)

      Anyway, thanks again for this site and all who contribute each day and all who read it. GO ROX

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